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A fact from Axel Downard-Wilke appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 May 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Axel Downard-Wilke (pictured) led a campaign in 2020 to have macrons used in Māori place names in Wikipedia articles?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Axel Downard-Wilke.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 20:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Axel Downard-Wilke

... that in a co-incidence at the 2024 Auckland Wikicon, Axel Downard-Wilke (pictured) was presenting about the Wikipedia home page while he was featured in a video showing in the Did you know section? Source: Putting NZ onto WP's main page [1]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Apocalypse Clown
- Comment: Sourcing is a combination of the presentation slides at the Wikicon, and the image depicting the co-incidence

Moved to mainspace by Marshelec (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Marshelec (talk) 04:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Not "recent", per WP:DYKHOOK: "The hook should include a definite fact that is unlikely to change". Try "March 2024" instead. Otherwise, nice article (although I'm not quite sure how comfortable I am actually reviewing this, given I'm the one that put the hook there!)--Laun chba ller 08:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Amended hook. Marshelec (talk) 08:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed.--Laun chba ller 08:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I'm really sorry to be so anal about this, but there is an outside chance there could be more than one this year, so it should really give the month.--Laun chba ller 09:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the requirement, and could add the month, but in this case I believe the year is sufficient. As a member of the affiliate that organised the Wikicon, I know that this was the annual Wikicon - ie the only one for 2024. The next one is planned to be in Christchurch in 2025. See m:wiki/Wikimedia_Aotearoa_New_Zealand#Activity:_Annual_National_WikiConference for verification.Marshelec (talk) 06:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Full review needed.--Laun chba ller 07:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As noted above, full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BlueMoonset This is the oldest fully unreviewed nom. Given that I put that hook on the front page, does WP:DYKRR prohibit me from reviewing it?--Laun chba ller 14:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Launchballer, it seems to me that you're involved. The nomination isn't even two weeks old; I wouldn't worry about "oldest fully unreviewed nom"; it will get picked up by someone else soon enough. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article is new and long enough. Sourcing looks good and Earwig raises no concerns. Hook is interesting and sourced in the article. Photo is clear, licensing looks good, and works amazingly with the hook (I'd love to see this as the image hook). QPQ done so we are good to go. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Owing to a concern raised by Aoidh at WT:DYK I've taken the bold step of pulling the hook from prep. A new hook may need to be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The concern in question: [2] ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As written, this would deserve {{lead too short}}. Marshelec, would you be able to expand this?--Laun chba ller 14:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer:Yes, quite right. I have now expanded the lead. Should I also now propose a different hook ? I am still keen to make progress with this nomination :) Marshelec (talk) 07:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Works a treat, though I've given it a trim to comply with WP:LEADLENGTH (there should not be more than two paragraphs for a 1700 word article, and none of his early life contributes to notability). You can either find stronger sourcing for the current hook or propose another one.--Laun chba ller 08:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will a new hook be able to be proposed here? One of the concerns raised in the discussion was if the hook was navel-y. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how much water that argument holds, if Wikipedia is the most interesting to a broad audience then that's what we should run with. A transport planner is always going to plan transport - what else does he do. I suggest either ALT1: ... that Axel Downard-Wilke (pictured) designed a system to help cyclists negotiate Christchurch intersections? or ALT2: ... that in 2020, the New Zealand transport planner Axel Downard-Wilke (pictured) led a campaign to have macrons used in Māori place names in Wikipedia articles?.--Laun chba ller 08:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have also considered a hook about the campaign for using macrons in the Māori place names in Wikipedia, but will leave DYK administrators to resolve whether or not it is appropriate to have a hook about the contribution that the subject has made to Wikipedia. In the meantime, I am exploring alternative hooks, and have just made a relatively small addition to the article that may facilitate a further alternative: ALT3 ...that in 2003 Axel Downard-Wilke (pictured) created a training course about Planning and Design for Cycling that has been regularly delivered for more than 20 years._Marshelec (talk) 08:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do think that if we're not going with ALT0, then the other image should be used instead.--Laun chba ller 08:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my view, ALT2 might be more acceptable than the original hook because the original hook directly talked about his Wikipedia career while ALT2 is about Wikipedia but not directly about his editing. Having said that, given possible navel concerns, I will leave it to consensus whether or not to use it, but given one source used is a secondary source (NZ Herald), the sourcing itself shouldn't be an issue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the image attached to this nomination to the other image from the Infobox of the article. I hope this nomination can proceed, using ALT2.Marshelec (talk) 02:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review needed for ALTs 1-3.--Laun chba ller 07:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the generic DYK requirements are previously reviewed. Re ALT hooks1-3, none has any corresponding sources listed here. Although they are sourced in the article. ALT 1 reads a tad bit dull IMO. "Designed a system"-feels a bit vague here, especially without any interlinking that could give an idea what sort of "system" it was. Moving to ALT2, it reads interestingly well. It's nicely sourced in the article. And overall a fine blurb. Although, based on the contextual relation, it could be argued that it's redundant to make this hook lengthy with "the New Zealand transport planner" at the beginning. Moving to ALT 3, seems like a better version of ALT1, of course differing in details. However, the source used for winning the award for creation of the training course is fine. I was able to access it via library and it checks out. But the latter source, which deals with the course being regularly delivered for more than 20 years, feels a bit unconventional. The website is ViaStrada, and it's a team/consulting firm. The byline reads "Submitted by." I'm not sure if this firm's blog/website content can be considered fully reliable or independent. We'd need a clearer and better source for that, IMO. I'd not have much issue approving ALT 2 (with a potential trim as pointed above, and also wikilinking to Macron (diacritic), but I'm seeking for second opinions as this is my first DYK review. Regards. X (talk) 19:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ViaStrada is Wilke's employer, and I'd question the dueness of the fact in the article. ALT2a: ... that in 2020, Axel Downard-Wilke (pictured) led a campaign to have macrons used in Māori place names in Wikipedia articles?--Laun chba ller 20:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Approving ALT2a. X (talk) 20:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

COI tag (May 2024)

Marshelec, a major contributor to this article and the DYK nominator, has a conflict of interest regarding Axel Downard-Wilke because they sit together on Wikimedia Aotorea New Zealand's executive committee. See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Axel Downard-Wilke. – Teratix ₵ 08:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]