Talk:Avar–Byzantine wars

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
March 13, 2018	Good article nominee	Listed
May 15, 2018	WikiProject A-class review	Not approved

Current status: Good article

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Avar–Byzantine wars/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Gog the Mild (talk · contribs) 10:32, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

Good Article Status - Review Criteria

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Verifiable with no original research:

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Review

Well-written:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (prose)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass
(b) (MoS)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass

Verifiable with no original research:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (references)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass
(b) (citations to reliable sources)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass
(c) (original research)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass
(d) (copyvio and plagiarism)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass

Broad in its coverage:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (major aspects)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass
(b) (focused)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Notes	Result
The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Notes	Result
The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass

Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)	Good use of maps. Very helpful.	Pass
(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass

Result

Result	Notes
Pass	A solid, unusually well referenced, unusually well illustrated, and well written article leaving an assessor with little to do. Good use of maps. Classy work. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:41, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Please add any related discussion here.

Ref 24, Curta, is not linked.
Done
Only 1 of your 13 sources has publisher location. (For information only, not a fail issue at B class.)
Done

Prose (most of these are just suggestions):

"...while the Persians and Avars siege Constantinople in 626." Should be "besiege" (or "lay siege to") - first caption.
Done
"conflicts were first initiated in 568". Initiated implies first.
Done
"The Avars usually raided the Balkans when the Byzantine Empire was distracted elsewhere, usually in its frequent wars with the Sassanid Empire in the East." Replace the second "usually" with "typically"? Or the first.
Done
"but allegedly sent 10,000 sent Kotrigur Huns"
Done
"and a further eight of nine cities in 586." This doesn't really make sense. Which 9 cities?
The source doesn't mention the names, unfortunately, just that 9 were sieged and 8 (of the nine) were captured. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 20:05, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"The next year, in 602, the Antes began to invade the Avars" I am not sure that one can invade a people. "invade the Avars' lands" perhaps?
Done
"Byzantine naval superiority also made communication between the two forces more difficult." I am not sure that "more is necessary.
Done
"which remained until their conquest by Charlemagne." It would be helpful to give a date for this event. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Done

Infobox:

"Territorial changes: Balkans annexed by Avars, continually recaptured until final Avar possession." This doesn't match too well with the last section of the article. I can't actually think of a better way to phrase things, but I flag it up in case you can. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:31, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Done

@Gog the Mild: I believe I have addressed all of your suggestions. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 20:05, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Compliance with other aspects of the Manual of Style, or the Manual of Style mainpage or subpages of the guides listed, is not required for good articles.

[2] Either parenthetical references or footnotes can be used for in-line citations, but not both in the same article.

[3] This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.

[4] Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. Nominations for articles that are unstable because of unconstructive editing should be placed on hold.

[5] Other media, such as video and sound clips, are also covered by this criterion.

[6] The presence of images is not, in itself, a requirement. However, if images (or other media) with acceptable copyright status are appropriate and readily available, then some such images should be provided.

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