Talk:Automatic Train Protection (United Kingdom)

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Did you know... that British Rail's Automatic Train Protection system was estimated to cost £11 million per life saved, more than the £4 million per life to be considered good value for money?

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On 25 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Automatic train protection (UK). The result of the discussion was not moved.

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~~ Alex Noble - talk 17:20, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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done. PI Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 18:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that British Rail's ATP system was estimated to cost £11 million per life saved, more than the £4 million per life considered good value for money? Source: Harmer, 1995 - [1]

Comment: Haven't done this before, so please ping if I've messed anything up too much.

Created by Alex Noble (talk). Self-nominated at 17:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Am looking at this now; review to follow shortly (this evening/tomorrow). I have some familiarity with the subject matter. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:43, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Review starting now, but must pause now and continue later today......
- This is a new, non-stub article with in excess of 3kb of prose. (Quite a notable topic; I'm surprised no dedicated article for BR ATP existed, and Main Page exposure may well bring about further expansion and improvements.)
- Refs are formatted correctly and sources are of high quality. I don't have to hand a copy of Gourvish (2002), the only offline source, but I am familiar with the book and its suitability as a source.
- Work started on 8th March, so the nomination is on time.
- The author has no DYK credits so far, so is exempt from QPQ reviewing requirements.
- Prose quality is fine.
- Minor nitpicks at this stage: apart from a few copyedits (hyphens, mostly), I would suggest a few more explanations of technical terms: perhaps spell out SPAD as well as linking, and mention that ACEC and GEC-GS are companies rather than e.g. technical standards (maybe link the second one to Alstom#GEC-Alsthom; not sure if the ?Canadian company ACEC has a WP article).
- I'm happy with the hook in terms of interest, catchiness and accuracy. As per Hamer (1995), the supporting source: while BR and Railtrack initially estimated £14m per life saved, the Health and Safety Commission's review revised this to £11m per life saved, so it is appropriate to use the lower figure in the hook and article.

- Broadly speaking, this looks ready for DYK, but later this evening (I'm doing this on my lunchbreak) I'll do full copyvio/close paraphrasing checking in the online sources and will confirm if OK. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No issues noted in subsequent checks; verified and ready to go. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SPADs

What is an SPADs / can it be added in the text pls? Whizz40 (talk) 20:17, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

signal passed at danger - not at computer now, or would clarify in text. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 20:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 01:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Automatic Train Protection (United Kingdom) → Automatic train protection (UK) – At WP:NCCAPS '[d]o not capitalize the second or subsequent words in an article title, unless the title is a proper name'. (Origin quote is in bold because putting this quote in bold is not a great idea). Plus UK is commonly used as a disambiguator as can be seen at WP:DAB. Also the base name Automatic train protection is titled in thjis way. JuniperChill (talk) 13:24, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Automatic train protection is about a general concept. Automatic Train Protection (United Kingdom) is about a specific program in the United Kingdom, which is a proper name. You could rescope this article as Automatic train protection in the United Kingdom instead if you want it to be in lowercase, which would discuss all uses of automatic train protection in the United Kingdom, not just the one system British Rail developed. And there's no reason whatsoever to abbreviate United Kingdom to UK in the disambiguator. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Probably a proper name and we usually prefer United Kingdom to UK (except, bizarrely, in the names of political parties). -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – the UK version is no more a proper name than the others. Dicklyon (talk) 03:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: I'm usually on the lower case train, but this seems to me to be a specific program of British Rail and as such is a proper noun and should stay capped. Similarly, Automatic Warning System is capped as a specific system, rather than about automatic warning systems in general. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 12:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.