Talk:Australian Survivor season 3

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Please note to the IP user who keeps changing the season note from third to first. Despite it being the first season on Network Ten, it is the third season of an Australian produced Survivor overall. It is therefore classified as the third season of Austrailan Survivor. The X Factor (Australia season 2) is the first on Channel Seven, however it is the second overall (following Network Ten's first season years earlier). -- Whats new?^(talk) 22:16, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fianl 2?

Has it been established that there is in fact a final two? If not, why is the table stating this and it should be removed. Chase (talk) 04:30, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ratings

What is the rationale for including the 18-49 demo rating for each episode? For Australian television articles it is not typical to include them, unlike American TV articles because U.S. media focus on that demo above total people. Australian media focus far more on total viewers. Furthermore, Network Ten's key focus demo isn't 18-49 anyway. I understand the figures are available and can be sourced, but that shouldn't mean they're incuded "just because" or "because the US Survivor has them." -- Whats new?^(talk) 06:15, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Helloman124: and others who are reverting the ratings table to re-include demo ratings - please explain your rationale. Saying to keep consistency with another article isn't a valid argument on its own (WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Please address the specific concerns I've outlined above or bring specific points of view to the discussion here. -- Whats new?^(talk) 22:43, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think showing the demo data shows an additional element of the rating data to give a more complete picture of how a show in performing in the ratings. Sometimes you will have a youth-skewing show (like Aus Survivor) which does ok it total number but great in the demos and the opposite is also true (like most shows on the ABC). Given that such demo data likely affects future seasons of the show, it would be a good idea to show such data Helloman124 (talk) 12:26, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It just seems like such a weird cherry-picking of information between the three age demographics shown (25-54; 18-49; 16-39). Placing only one of them here comes off as an editorial choice designed to skew perception of the show's performance. I'd rather none of the three age demographics than one chosen because of its importance in American television. - Katanin (talk) 17:16, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Katanin. It is cherry-picking without a basis for it. Many things affect renewal decisions beyond ratings, including cost of production, overseas sales and distribution, sponsorships, funding grants, etc. If there's a quote from someone involved with production stating that the younger-skewing nature of the program is important, it is fine to include that in the reception section, but including a particular demo for each episode seems excessive and unnecessary, especially when there has been episodes where the data is unavailable anyway. Total viewership seems more than enough. -- Whats new?^(talk) 22:55, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok then, what if we add all of the demos? We are not cherry picking (which seams to be your main issue) and it shows what I want to show (a more complete picture of the show's preformance in raitngs) Helloman124 (talk) 23:47, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Helloman124: No, cherry picking is not the main issue. Wikipedia is not for republishing every piece of available information, it is for providing an overview of a topic with references that people can follow to find out fuller information. If people would like to know more information about the ratings, they click on the reference associated with it and end up at the ratings page on the TV Tonight website. The article gives the most relevent information for viewership, which is total viewers not a particular demographic. -- Whats new?^(talk) 00:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Whats new?; I re-added the information back to the table because you must gain consensus to remove it, not the other way around. It should remain until this discussion is resolved. Chase (talk) 00:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@CCamp2013: Actually, the demos were not long-standing and added without reason in the first place, but I will take your point and wait for a vaild inclusion argument and concensus. -- Whats new?^(talk) 00:07, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: Whats new?; Actually, I looked back and did research on the matter and it went as far back as early September, possibly farther. So, I would count that as longstanding seeing as this article's subject aired not far in front of that. Also, thank you for respecting my comment and wait until the conclusion of the discussion. For the record, I do not see any reason for the 18-49 demo rating should be included if in fact the Australian's do not use this metric. Chase (talk) 00:13, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@CCamp2013: No problem, the issue really was a particular user and some IPs adding the info or re-adding without explanation. Getting debate on this talk page may prove difficult. It was only after several reverts with notes in edit summaries that got Helloman124 here following previous ignores from talk page messages, etc. We'll see what happens in the next few days. And as I explained previously, Australians do use demos (four different majors infact), but they're not the focal point in wider media like in the US where 18-49 rules and total people gets little attention. Total people is what counts down under. -- Whats new?^(talk) 00:24, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Article Title

I realize that this may be a large change to the article, and I don't know how to do this change without help, but I think the article title for this and the other seasons of Australian Survivor should be changed. The edition of Australian Survivor that is currently airing is a different program made by different people than the versions that aired in the early 2000s. This season is generally referred to as Season 1 by the fans, and is referenced as the first season on Paramount+, which is an official source as far as I can tell.

Perhaps, since I anticipate that this will be a controversial issue, the season numbers should be avoided in the article title entirely. Thus, what is currently Season 1 could be called "Australian Survivor (2002 TV Season)", this page could be called "Australian Survivor (2016 TV Season)" and the most recent season could be called "Australian Survivor: Brain Vs. Brawn." I think that would make this all easier to understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.110.96 (talk) 23:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]