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Rename to Braford

Given that the Braford was developed in 1946 in Australia, and in the US in 1947, it stands to reason that the Australian Braford page be renamed "Braford (Australian)" and the current Braford page be renamed "Braford (American)", or something along those lines. Both associations refer to the breed as the Braford, so having one page named Australian Braford is incorrect. Not only this, but the Australian Braford Society (1962) was formed before the International Braford Association (1969), now called United Braford Breeders, giving the Braford breed developed in Australia greater claim to the name than that developed in the US.

That or the two pages should be combined under "Braford" and distinguish between the two independent development processes; however as the two societies have different acceptable Hereford/Brahman genetic mixture percentages, I'm not sure if this is applicable. Slimestone (talk) 11:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about who came first, or whether it's relevant. But Australia reports its principal breed to DAD-IS as Australian Braford, while Braford is reported from about a dozen countries (including, strangely, a small population in Australia). That suggests that the current naming of the pages is acceptable, if not necessarily optimal. If it isn't broken … Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did some further research, and the existence of the "Braford World Congress" suggests that internationally, "Braford" is the overarching name. Given that Australia and the US both attend this congress, I believe that the two pages should be combined. Also I'm not sure how reporting for the DAD-IS works, but I've noticed that many lists are incomplete and do not show the full range of breeds present in countries; in any case, given the body governing the breed within Australia refers to the breed as the Braford, I'm not sure why it would be reported as the Australian Braford. Slimestone (talk) 15:03, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Facebook is a reliable source for anything, but I don't think there's any question that the world name is "Braford". The reporting to DAD-IS seems to be by the Australian Government Department of Agriculture, which (I suggest) probably is a reliable source for what they think they have in Australia. However, the standard of DAD-IS reporting is very variable from country to country, so it shouldn't be taken as definitive. A very quick look at a few of the sources in this search seems to suggest that the Australian strain is regarded as distinct. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:03, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is simply the Facebook page FOR the congress, I highly doubt that someone took a bunch of photos with people and cattle to make a fake facebook page for a fake conference? Many legitimate events use Facebook rather than a website. In any case, the search you posted mainly shows results for the Australian Braford Society, as in, the Australian society for Brafords, which refers to the breed as the Braford, not the "Australian Braford" as a distinct breed. Given this is the governing body or what have you for the breed, I would give it more stock than one person in the Department of Ag who may or may not actually know anything about this breed. In any case, if you visit the "Braford" page on wikipedia, it refers to both Australian and US varieties. I'm not sure what to think, but I have found very little evidence to suggest there is an Australian Braford, and a Braford, and then by that logic the Brafords in South Africa would also be a separate breed, as well as the ones in Argentina and so on. I see what you're saying, but apart from the DAD-IS, I can't find much evidence. I believe this page was made after somebody went to the Oklahoma State University breeds website (which is very out of date and lacking in reliable/no. sources for the vast majority of its articles), and made pages for each of the breeds listed.Slimestone (talk) 05:02, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reclassified as stub

The WikiProject classification for Australian Braford was Start-class. It has been reclassified as Stub-class per request. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 16:09, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]