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DateProcessResult
January 11, 2013Good article nomineeListed
February 7, 2013WikiProject A-class reviewApproved
Current status: Good article

A couple of minor observations

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G'day, as I've been going through the article looking for minor issues, I've noticed a couple of inconsistencies that I wanted to clarify before changing:

  • the article uses terms like First World War and Second World War, but the article is titled in "World War II";
  • the presentation of infantry battalions/brigades is inconsistent: in some places it is "xth Battalion", but in others "xth Infantry Battalion" and also "xth Brigade" v. "xth Infantry Brigade";
  • inconsistent presentation: "X Campaign" v. "X campaign" e.g. "New Britain Campaign" v "Bougainville campaign". Which is correct?
  • in the Refs, some of the official history works have "Retrieved" dates, but others don't. I think based on FAC advice, these courtesy links should be removed. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 23:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers. Think I got these now. Anotherclown (talk) 11:37, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

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Gday. I've added a draft lead and would welcome some feedback. I think it probably needs to summarise equipment, leadership and training/doctrine as well but can't think how to do this currently. Any suggestions? Anotherclown (talk) 11:40, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Added a bit further now. Anotherclown (talk) 11:04, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
G'day, looks good but if possible try to reduce the number of times you mention the Army. I will try to go through the article and copy edit it a bit more, but my net connection is terrible at the moment. A couple more observations: do you wish to use a TOC and is the See also section necessary? AustralianRupert (talk) 21:59, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I think that it might be a bit long (its text occupies most of my large-ish monitor). If it's OK, I'll have a go at reducing the size. Nick-D (talk) 22:54, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Gday Nick. Pls do - seems a standard problem of mine (long leads that is). AR - I think the TOC is helpful but you're right the "See also" section is probably redundant. Certainly happy with you doing another copy-edit. Thanks greatly for you help to this point. Cheers. Anotherclown (talk) 23:11, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, done. Long leads seem to be increasingly popular though. Nick-D (talk) 23:49, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Gday Nick. I've tweaked it a little again (added a sentence only on demobilisation) and merged two paras for balance (sorry this is my OCD/institutionalisation showing - if you don't think it works pls split again and I'll take my meds...). Cheers. Anotherclown (talk) 08:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I also binned the formation of the ARA and CMF post war part - seemed a bit of a tangent and not required in the lead to me (I know I put it in there in the first place but again if you disagree pls revert). Cheers. Anotherclown (talk) 08:37, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A couple more observations

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Ok, I've gone through the article top to bottom. Please check that you are happy with my changes and tweak/change as you see fit. From my last run through, I have the following observations:

  • should legislation titles be presented in italics?
  • the Malaya and Singapore section starts a little abruptly...I wonder if there is a more smooth way of doing this. It almost seems like the first paragraph should be in a different section, but I'm not sure...
  • there appears to be some off arguably off-topic information in a few places. For instance, "RAAF aircraft operating from bases in Java..."
  • Some repetition: "The Australian Army's 16th and 17th Brigades formed part of the island's garrison..." and then in the next section "As a compromise two brigades of the 6th Division..."
  • this sentence seems like it needs something else: "These troops had seen action alongside Australian units throughout the New Guinea campaign"
    • Altered this a little. Does this work for you?
  • the web link for the Lodge article doesn't appear to click through properly. It has something to do with the "id=" field, but I can't quite work it out. Compare the syntax used for the adb entry in Rupert Downes;
  • I wonder if the paragraph on demobilisation that is currently in the Post war subsection of the Campaigns section should be split into its own section titled "Demobilisation".

Anyway, please let me know what you think. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 11:05, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The copyediting and major edits seem to be done for the moment at least. Do you guys think this is ready for nomination for a GA review? Cheers. Anotherclown (talk) 22:24, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it would benefit from a section on the POWs (which could be adapted from the Australian in World War II article), but other that that should be good to go. Nick-D (talk) 22:31, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thats right you said that before and it must have slipped my mind. I'm going for a run for a hour or so but I'll see what I can do after that unless someone beats me to it. Got to have a Berroca first though... Cheers Nick. Anotherclown (talk) 01:42, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I've put something here now. Anotherclown (talk) 12:21, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
More comments

I have a few more comments, which I'll make here rather than in the GA review, because I think I wrote some chunks of the article myself.

Cheers Hawkeye7 (talk) 06:11, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ed! (talk · contribs) 17:41, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'm excited to see an article as intricate as this one at such a good level of quality. I'll be reviewing it. —Ed!(talk) 17:41, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Background
Organisation
  • "Raising the Second Australian Imperial Force" glosses briefly over how units were organized. Is there anything about company structure? By this I mean how many men to a company? How many platoons and what role of each platoon? How large a headquarters element? Could be a footnote since some of this might belong on the Company (military) and Battalion pages.
  • Also, some information about what differentiates an armored division from an infantry division in terms of organization. Once again could be a footnote.
  • How many men to a division? In my writing about military units I've some attention focused on how U.S. Army forces in WWII were organized with lots of non-divisional Corps support units so they could be attached and detached easily, as opposed to Nazi German structure focusing more heavily on the divisions themselves.
  • Also, I would have sort of expected this section to link to an OrBat of the Army in the war. That information would certainly be available.
  • I'm partial to logistics and imagined it would also merit a mention somewhere.
  • "Women's services" section: "While General Blamey sought..." I don't see him having been linked or introduced before this.
  • "As a result, only about 400 of the 24,000 women who joined the AWAS served outside Australia." If there were any casualty numbers for AWAS I think they should be mentioned here.
    • The limited number that served overseas primarily served late in the war in HQ First Australian Army in Lae, although some were stationed in Hollandia. I not aware of them having suffered casualties but will keep looking. Nothing mention in Palazzo, Johnston or Long that I can see. Will keep looking. Anotherclown (talk) 06:18, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • At the time the AWAS women were deployed outside Australia the areas they were sent were entirely secure, so there would have been no combat casualties. I'll check to see if there are any figures available for non-combat casualties (eg, disease and accidents). Nick-D (talk) 07:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Will continue at "campaigns" in shortly

G'day Ed. Apologies for making a large edit in the middle of a review but I've now added a paragraph on command and administrative arrangements. This should have been included prior to the proceeding to GA but seems to have been a blindspot of mine. I hope this doesn't stuff you around too much. Thanks again. Anotherclown (talk) 12:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem! It looks good to me. —Ed!(talk) 22:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Operations
  • "During the first years of World War II, Australia's military strategy was closely aligned with that of the United Kingdom. " -- You should note what the UK strategy was at this time.
  • ..." relatively few Australian military units were stationed in Australia and the Asia-Pacific region after 1940." -- Was this a politically controversial decision?
  • "The Australian military's role in the South-West Pacific decreased during 1944." -- This graph discusses the late-war drawdown, it might be helpful to note the number of US and UK forces that had been pumped into the Pacific War at this time.
  • "Critics of these campaigns argue..." -- Avoid the "C" word without noting specifically who was critical of the decision
  • Post War: " it would have participated in the invasion of the Japanese home island of Honshū which was scheduled for March 1946." -- You should link to the appropriate article here, I believe it's Operation Coronet but I don't have the sources.
Leadership
  • As with before, I would imagine a "List of Australian Army Generals article" could be created and top this section, or something of that nature.
Overall
Placing the article on hold pending these few improvements. —Ed!(talk) 22:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent work all of you. Passing article for GA. —Ed!(talk) 12:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the excellent comments, Ed, and taking the time to review. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 20:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Gday Ed. Thanks for taking to time to read through this and complete the review. Much appreciated. Anotherclown (talk) 22:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Map "The Mediterranean in 1942"

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The map showing the mediterranean theatre should be removed from the article as it is largely incorrect. Vichy France is shown as an axis nation, the italian influence in southern France is far too big and the Soviet Union was no longer present on Krim or in Ukraine. And at last: all the borders are pre-1938. How could such a map pass the Good Article review of the article? --Bomzibar (talk) 18:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you might suggest a suitable replacement? Anotherclown (talk) 09:48, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For the whole Mediterranean this Map showing borders before the start of the Africa Campaign could be taken. Other maps showing the whole of North Africa during the campaign are difficult to find on Commons. --Bomzibar (talk) 12:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I notice that the accuracy of this map is also disputed so probably not really suitable either. Thanks anyway. Anotherclown (talk) 12:49, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I oversighted that, sorry. Well, I dont see that a map is really needed at that point. Otherwise there is maybe a Mapmaker who can draw an accurate map of the whole theatre. --Bomzibar (talk) 13:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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