Talk:Ausländer

"Ausländer" does not feel like a neutral term to foreigners

This is a POV, but it is relavant. I am a new Ausländer in Germany. I speak little German. When I dropped my kids off at school this morning I passed by a couple of parents discussing something. I head the words sprechen Deutch and Ausländer. I can only assume they were discussing my family since there are no others in this small town school. Even though I didn't understand their discussion, I find the word Ausländer quite distressing. I may be wrong but according to an online dictionary the word was "invented" in 1936 - not exactly a time of tolerance. It's meaning/sounds to my ear -"like get out of my land". It does not only mean foreigner, it also means outsider -someone who does not fit in socially, or who is not socially accepted or "not one of us". Consequently it is not as neutral as the word foreigner. As regards the word alien as used in the US, this is also, to my ears anyway, not as neutral as the word foreigner and does not validate the reasoning given bellow. Alien carries with it a hint of threat or something that is unwanted; for example, you read about "alien invaders", you never read about "foreigner invaders". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmp260 (talk • contribs) 06:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I removed your POV, because it is simply wrong, as a native speaker I can tell you, that there are no meanings like outsider or "none of us" in the term "Ausländer", it just means "not from Germany" (or "not from Austria", if you are in Austria). In general there is also no negative connotation. (btw: just because you heard the word Ausländer and deutsch does not mean, that people are talking about you or rejecting you, since Immigration is a constant topic in german politics)

Whatever online dictionary you have used, don't consult it anymore, because it is obviously teaching you complete bullshit. The term "Ausländer" was certainly not invented in 1936, is in fact much older (e.g. it can be found in Luther's 16th century translation of the Bible) and has none of the connotations you ascribe to it. If you can't find any other reliable dictionary, use Wiktionary, which also happens to have an entry for Ausländer

Concerning your claim that you never read about "foreigner invaders", well, that might be because this phrase is grammatically incorrect and you have to say "foreign invaders" for which you will find countless examples, like this one: To Malians, al-Qaeda is a foreign invader (Lord Gøn (talk) 15:37, 30 May 2019 (UTC))[reply]

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I removed nonsense POV from this article. Ausländer is a word that is used in official statistics and can be found in every German dictionary. While some right-wing persons might also used it (just like some right-wing persons in the USa may be use the word "alien") it is just a normal word. See: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausl%C3%A4nder, the German article links to alien (law) and arcording to http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=&search=ausl%C3%A4nder translations are alien, foreign national, foreign person, foreigner.

I just wonder why all articles on immigration in to Germany are so full of POV (from both left-wing and right-wing persons).-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 18:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

User Greatgreenwhale has deleted the whole article in one big blow, and not just removed the POV as he claimed. This vandalism was undone.You can't just delete everything if you disagree on a personal level. While the article already points out the the term means "Alien" it's everyday use is not without controversy, as it is also commonly applied to third generation German Nationals who have an immigrant background or who are perceived as racially different.If you can contribute to the article, please do so, but you made it look like the disambiguation page.95.223.187.171 (talk) 20:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not only disagree on a personal level, but I looked it up in a dictonary, I know that word is used in official German statistics. Ausländer are the one not holding a German passport. Persons holding a German passport but of foregn ancestry are called persons with immigrant background. I am aware of the fact that some people in Germany do not like Ausländer. However some people think that men suck. Does that make the word "man" a slur? Should I rewrite the article man and write that it is a sexist slur, because some people do not like men?-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 18:32, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Ausländer" is a neutral term

I must disagree with you on that. If you want to describe the misuse of the word "Ausländer" for political purposes, do so in an appropriate place, for example on a page about racism in Germany and Austria. Simply using the word in a campaign slogan doesn't make it controversial. That would mean that "raus" (=out) would have to be a controversial word as well.

To make it short: "Ausländer" is simply the German word for either foreigner or alien (law) (as Greatgreenwhale has already pointed out and as you can read in any dictionary), and if anyone disagrees with that, please tell me another word of the same meaning because I am Austrian and I can't come up with one (with the possible exception of "Fremder" which actually means "stranger" and therefore isn't any more flattering than "Ausländer").

So this article in its current form isn't only wrong but also quite offensive to millions of Austrians and Germans who are NOT racists and use this word neutrally.

Angela79at (talk) 01:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. That is why I will remove that unsourced edits again. Any word can be used as a slur (some feminist may think the word "man" is a slur, because they hate them, but it is a neutral word).-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 18:26, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How about the compromise I just created? ("[...], considered by some to be pejorative, especially with regard to naturalised immigrants.") --88.70.30.36 (talk) 19:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Ausländer" is not an alien

Alien is "Außerirdischer". My english writing is horrible, but German is in fact my mothertongue. Alien is Außerirdischer or simply Alien because we adopted a lot of English terms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.113.17.131 (talk) 02:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]