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Is his correct first name being used?

Can someone explain why the name of the page is Augustine William Shelton Agar, when the article repeatedly cites him as Augustus William Shelton Agar only? Brequinda 19:50, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The page migrated from the Victoria Cross entry where it was entered as Augustine. Perhaps you could change it and fix the link. I don't know how. Polycarp

The point that requires a explanation is why "Augustus" is used at all. His name is uniformly "Augustine" in Royal Navy service records. Where and when did "Augustus" come into use, and does it have any merit whatsoever? DulcetTone (talk) 19:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Does the last section of the article strike anyone as perhaps a bit oddly worded? Alastairward 14:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, UTC, it was a bit stilted. Hope my changes improved it. Cheers Polycarp

Removed rating to prompt a reassesment after recent changes. Folks at 137 21:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sinking Petropavlovsk

This does not affect Agar personally, but Russian written sources don't confirm, that Petropavlovsk was sunk, nor even hit during attack on Kronstadt. Pibwl ←« 20:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Bends?

The article states Agar suffered from the bends after swimming to the suface from his sinking ship, but I thought you could only get the bends when surfacing too quickly after breathing compressed air. Does anyone know for sure? SkipSmith (talk) 09:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite as simple as that but you are on the right track!85.76.97.85 (talk) 11:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The air in a sinking ship will become compressed as the ship goes down. Perhaps this explains it? DulcetTone (talk) 15:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What Captain Agar got was certainly not the bends, but almsot certainly AGE or an Arterial Gas Embolism, especially if he gulped some air while underwater from an enclosed (compressing) space as the ship sank, and then did not expel that during ascent. And even if he did that he still would not get the bends, but AGE. See my longer explanation in its own section below. 85.76.97.85 (talk) 11:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This article, providing there are more references available and with some restructuring, would be a good candidate for B-class promotion. Otr500 (talk) 19:15, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Regards sentence in End Of Dorsetshire section

Regards the following sentence in that section "When the Dorsetshire sank, Agar had been dragged down deep and suffered the bends while coming up, with serious damage to his lungs. Where did this bit of misinformation come from? Can someone please point me too it?

While Captain Agar may certainly well have suffered 'lung damage', I as a SCUBA diver Instructor Trainer for 30 odd years can assure you he did not get 'the bends', for several reasons.

You can't get the bends from a lung full of air taken at the surface and then swum / taken to some depth with that same lung full of air, not matter how fast you ascend. And you need to be underwater from a prolonged length of time - on SCUBA - and / or go very very deep to get 'the bends'.

What Captain Agar almost certainly suffered was AGE, or an Arterial Gas Embolism, which would certainly explain his lung 'damage'. Which is in itself odd though if he took the breathe of air at the surface, but he may have gulped a breath underwater somewhere while being dragged down and if he had not expelled that on his ascent then he almost certainly (i.e. 99.9% chance) he would have suffered some lung damage / AGE.

So I would suggest changing that sentence unless someone can refer to exactly where he was misdiagnosed with 'the bends'. 2001:999:53:B89:99C5:9561:E1F6:5B7C (talk) 11:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]