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Part of Terrorism in Turkey?

Should Terrorism in Turkey be added in "part of"? Although perpetrators haven't been confirmed, all suspected perpetrators are sanctioned as terrorist groups and the attack bears hallmarks of a terrorist attack. DinoBambinoNFS (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, once someone has created that article. Jim Michael (talk) 17:22, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I didn't realise it didn't even exist. DinoBambinoNFS (talk) 10:38, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perpetrators

As far as I know, nobody suspects from Kurdistan Workers' Party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerhidt (talk • contribs) 21:04, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yousaf465 has evidence connecting the attack to Indian intelligence agencies. El cid, el campeador (talk) 22:08, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Then how come the Dawn source says "Mehmet Erdogan, a ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) lawmaker for Gaziantep said it was not clear who was responsible for the explosion but there was a “high possibility” it was a suicide attack that could have been launched by IS or the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)." DinoBambinoNFS (talk) 11:14, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why would a Kurdish group bomb a Kurdish wedding? Jim Michael (talk) 11:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jim this article or this website isn't for figuring out how such and such thing can happen. We create articles upon information given by sources, not upon what we think is possible or not. DinoBambinoNFS (talk) 11:56, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DinoBambinoNFS "Strongly Agree" we have to rely on WP:Reliable sources for creating articles.--yousaf465 15:29, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Remote controlled bomb is not a suicide bomb

If the bomb was activated by remote control, then it's not accurate to call it a suicide bomb, even though that's what sources are calling it. 71.182.247.106 (talk) 01:22, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All sources say it was a suicide bomber who targeted the wedding. DinoBambinoNFS (talk) 10:45, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Any source which mention it being activated by remote control ? I couldn't find any. --yousaf465 15:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. "ISIS child suicide bomber blown up by remote control kills dozens in Turkey" http://www.iraqinews.com/arab-world-news/suicide-bombing-hits-wedding-ceremony-turkey-dozens-killed/ 71.182.250.107 (talk) 01:22, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You should read the whole article carefully, not just the headline. Except in the headline, there is no mention of remote control in the source. It also clearly mentions that Deputy Prime Minister and President said it was a suicide bomb:

Turkish deputy Prime Minister Mehmet Simsek stated that the explosion seems to have been triggered by a suicide bomber.

Meanwhile, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said, “A suicide bombing which killed 51 people in the Turkish city of Gaziantep was carried out by a 12 to 14-year-old child.

In the main body of the article, no remote controlled bomb is mentioned. It is clear the source you have cited has committed a mistake in its headline. Regardless, all of other sources say it was a suicide bomb.DinoBambinoNFS (talk) 20:20, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop changing details until the situation becomes clear

I see a lot of users keep changing the content including perpetrators, death toll and number of injuries as they see fit. Details are usually not clear after such attacks. A number of sources differ on the details. Therefore we should wait for some time until the situation becomes clear. DinoBambinoNFS (talk) 11:05, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PKK speculation:

WP:BLP does apply here, as PKK consists of living persons. Just because a specific person is not named, it does not mean BLP does not apply. Also it's WP:RECENTISM to include it. In a year or 10, the very early accusations by Turkish parliamentarians will not be relevant at all. The story is unfolding that it was Islamic State, and we should focus on that. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:31, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLP doesn't apply here. --yousaf465 16:45, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PKK is an organisation, BLP only applies to persons not organisations. Claiming that BLP applies because PKK consists of living persons is real speculation and self-interpertation, because nowhere does BLP states it applies to any organizations as well.

Also Dawn says "Mehmet Erdogan, a ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) lawmaker for Gaziantep said it was not clear who was responsible for the explosion but there was a “high possibility” it was a suicide attack that could have been launched by IS or the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)." So what speculation are you talking about? They are only called "suspects", so I fail to see any rational reason behind your move.

In addition RECENTISM is your changing of death toll from 50+ to 54. Please note that different sources give different tolls sometimes. We cannot prefer any one source over another.

Last of all, please note that we are not here to edit based on what you or anyone thinks. We add information based on what the sources say. DinoBambinoNFS (talk) 16:46, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey's response

Turkey's response need to mentioned. They have bombed both IS and PKK position in Syria. Turkey shells both IS and Kurdish positions in Syria--yousaf465 19:02, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]