Talk:Athletes and domestic violence in the United States

Football

Hey Sean,

The last sentence of the section FOOTBALL seems like a transition in essay from talking about football to other sports. But I think it should be better to move the compare between datas of different sports out of a specific section and leave the section with information and researches only about the relative sport.

Ruofan

Article to link to

Here's an article you can link to. There's a sub section on Domestic Violence

National Football League controversies

Shishmeh (talk) 20:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)shishmeh

Edits to your article

Hi! I found an article related to your topic from NBC news, here is the link: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/nfl-controversy/still-playing-12-nfl-players-have-domestic-violence-arrests-n204831 Also I added a citation from that article, just a sentence about how over the last 14 years there have been 87 arrests involving 80 football players. --Rlira123 (talk) 20:56, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

HI Sean,

For the section "Socio-economics", the compare is kind of unclear. I searched for the information you provided about the rate of domestic violence among NFL players compared to the rate among the whole nation of expected income level. Indeed it seems impossible to compare through exact data but I think expanding the section with sentences to explain it more here is better. I found some information that may help in the following links http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/more-on-the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/

Astoria522 (talk) 07:19, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Lead sentence is ambiguous or inconsistent with topic

The lead sentence appears to be ambiguous or else it is inconsistent with the title of the article. It reads:

"Domestic violence is one of the most common crimes among male athletes."

Since the lead sentence introduces the rest of the article it should explain what the article is going to be about. The page title is Athletes and domestic violence and ideally that title should be able to start, or at least be included in the sentence. When I saw the title I thought the article was going to be about how an athlete's development and performance might be affected (adversely?) by experiencing domestic violence; an interesting aspect of the subject that I had not considered. But this lead sentence suggests an entirely different set of possible meanings, such as:

• Male athletes, and only males, commit domestic violence on other male athletes. - Really? Do they actually live together as intimate partners, too? In same-sex relationships?? - This article is pushing the limits of Neutral Point of View already.
• Male athletes commit violence among their team mates when they are in domestic situations, such as the team camp or changing rooms. - Does that mean contributors meant Bullying instead of Domestic and have all confused the two words?
• Male athletes assault each other. - At least it would be assault if it didn't happen on the sports field. Being given a red or yellow card by the referee, or appearing before the judiciary panel after the game is so much less disruptive to the game than having Police cars driving all over the field to arrest the offending player, slap him cuffs, chuck him into the paddy wagon and race off to jail, with lights flashing and sirens blaring. (But wouldn't it make for great TV, the first time...)
• Male athletes are suspect of committing crime and among the most common crime committed is domestic violence. - That suggests the article is stereotyping male athletes as criminals! That is libelous and an outrageous thing to say without citing the evidence! That suggests contributors with huge Point of View issues! But the lack of WP:POV suggests a different meaning is intended.
• Perhaps: The prevalence of domestic violence perpetrated by male athletes upon their family members is statistically significantly higher than the general population. - Citation needed!
• Or does this mean? : Male athletes commonly perpetrate domestic violence upon their intimate partners ... [because of the stresses they experience in their sports.] - and this article is going to examine that hypothesis. What makes this phenomenon notable? Could be original research? Research says males commonly are perpetrators of domestic violence, so that is nothing new.

Whatever the case, either the lead sentence is poorly articulating what the article is about or the article title is different to the article being written. Are you also going to write about females athletes? Or will this article only be about males? Perhaps you should instead write an article about one of the following Domestic violence perpetrated by male athletes, Domestic violence experienced by athletes or Athletes who are domestic violence perpetrators, victims and survivors (a list), or Athletic performance and domestic violence.

Because the first word in the title is Athletes that would suggest this article is about people. But if the article is going to be about the phenomenon of Domestic violence then the order of the subjects in the title should be reversed, thus the title might become Domestic violence among male athletes, which would allow discuss both perpetration and other impacts. I am not to fussed about the ultimate resolution, but that first sentence needs to change and the first paragraph should summarize the article, which I haven't even started reading! - 210.86.82.145 (talk) 11:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Well that made interesting reading. I have rewritten the lead paragraph and presented tor problem as one of the offending becoming public knowledge. That might not be the best summary of the article but it was the best rephrasing that fit without making too many wording changes. There is, perhaps, a different, and more general, article that could be written about interpersonal offending by male athletes that would cover both the domestic and sexual violence offending by semi-professional and professional athletes. That of course would need a different lead section. I have also tagged the article as one that needs to be globalized. This phenomenon is not just something that is happening in the United States. This is an issue with team ball sports in other parts of the world too. I initially struggled to understand the meaning of some jargon or slang terms and abbreviations, too, that are used without being clearly explained. For example: Football - Which game is being referred to? Football is played with a round ball that is kicked into a goal, An oval ball that is carried to score a try. (at least 2 variants), An oval ball on an oval cricket field. (in Australia, to their own rules, if they are not playing cricket). An oval ball that is thrown forward to score a touchdown. (only in America) - I assume Football refers to American football, or the National Football League, rather than the beautiful game the rest of the world plays for the World Cup. - 210.86.82.145 (talk) 12:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)