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Ataturk NOT Atatürk

This article started as 'Ataturk High School of Science, Istanbul' adherıng to the English alphabet. User:BarisTarim reverted it to 'Atatürk High School of Science, Istanbul' and caused the links to break. And User:Khoikhoi moved it. User:BarisTarim did fix the broken links but insisted on not writing Ataturk as 'Atatürk'. I would agree that it is the correct spelling in the Turkish alphabet but not in the English alphabet. In my opinoin, in the English Wikipedia articles should start should use the English alphabet. Onganer 14:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but you are wrong. Listen, you are mistaken about how Wikipedia works. There is no such thing as English or Turkish alphabet - There is the Latin alphabet and its diacritics from an academic point of view.

You would be right - if it weren't for the fact that we have São Paulo, Düsseldorf, Côte-d'Or, Şanlıurfa, Düsseldorf, Göktürks (note that the decision to move it from Gokturks was taken by non-Turks because this name is more academic), Baden-Württemberg, Saarbrücken, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Łódź, Toruń, Île-de-France, Midi-Pyrénées, Franche-Comté etc etc - I can cite you many more examples in many different languages. Also note that that article was moved back by an admin who is not Turkish, not by me.

I understand what you mean - but believe me that's not how the English Wikipedia works :) Don't forget that the reason why diacritics were not used in the past (with computers in general) was because of technical limitations; now such limitations exist don't exist any more. In any case, having the article São Paulo doesn't bother me even though I can't type ã. I find it more encyclopedic, and Sao Paulo redirects to São Paulo anyhow - anyone that types Sau Paulo either here or in Google etc will find the right article no matter what.

I hope that I was able to help out :) I know that this is a bit complicated and I had thought the same way when I first came to Wikipedia, but I was also wrong. In fact, I realized that not using the original diacritics looks very poor academically, and makes Wikipedia look like some common blog. You will also notice that biographies always use diacritics as well, in any language. I will try to fix the broken link. Cheers! Baristarim 14:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you got what I was trying to say. Please re-read my note above. Can you please look at the article's history? That page was moved to its current spelling by a non-Turk administrator. Please do not continue to play with the article. You will notice that Kadikoy redirects to Kadıköy and what you are doing creates redirects, something which should be avoided. This is a matter of consistency. The main article is at Atatürk with the dotted u, therefore it is normal that it should be consistent as such all throughout Wikipedia. Again, take another look at São Paulo, Düsseldorf, Côte-d'Or, Şanlıurfa, Göktürks, Baden-Württemberg, Saarbrücken, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Łódź, Toruń, Île-de-France, Midi-Pyrénées, Franche-Comté among many examples. Cheers! Baristarim Baristarim 14:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We are not talking about a different alphabet like the Arabic script: we are talking about the diacritics of the Latin alphabet. The main articles are based in articles that use the diacritics in their titles, and it is only normal that they should be applied uniformly throughout Wikipedia.

And please see WP:OWN: creators of the articles do not own them, they can be just as rightly modified by other editors. Cheers! Baristarim 14:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What broken links are you talking about??? Baristarim 14:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul Onganer 15:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So? It will most probably be moved to the correct spelling soon in any case. It was created as Istanbul and so it stayed - since then computers have evolved, and there are no more problems with diacritics that once were. If you noticed, Turkey article uses the correct spelling all throughout - for a reason. In any case, the article's title still doesn't have an I with a dot, so what's your point? Click on Kutahya, Ataturk and Kadikoy and see where that takes you :) Special names, gramatically speaking, are not in the same category as common names. I don't get what is causing you so much pain with the correct spelling. Did you see the examples that I gave from a wider variety of languages? Ok then :)) Baristarim 15:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also be aware that I cannot waste any more time on this. Please do not tell others "write your arguments" and then reply by "see this". I wrote tons of posts and explained the issue in detail. Please do not do any more reverts, do not blank pages again, and read WP:OWN - nobody has to ask the creator's permission as you had said earlier. Cheers! Baristarim 16:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation

Selam Onganer. I moved this article to match the main article, which is titled Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is a redirect page). If you would like to have the page renamed, please make a comment at the talk page. Ideally, all redirects should be "orphaned", to avoid straining the servers. The same goes for Kadıköy. If you want to rename it to Kadikoy, make a proposal on the talk page. Saygılar, Khoi khoi 05:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response Khoikhoi. Unfortunately, I don't find your answer satisfactory for moving the page." Ataturk High School of Science, Istanbul" is an article on its own. English speaking community will not be able to use the character 'ü' from their computer. So it is no use for moving the article to "Ataütrk High School of Science, Istanbul". I am a graduate from this school and I am quite certain of what I am talking about. Onganer 10:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So? I am also from Istanbul, I don't have to have graduated from a school to know how "Atatürk" should be spelled. But as Khoikhoi said, your arguments belong to relavant pages, not here. Onganer, keep in mind that this is an encyclopedia, which means it has to be as academic as possible - that's what distinguishes it from common blogs or forums. And why would someone need to type 'ü" in the first place??? They are only here to read the article! "Ataturk High School of Science, Istanbul" redirects here, so anyone typing "Ataturk High School of Science, Istanbul" in Google will see this page anyhow - it doesn't matter if they can type 'ü' from their computer. Onganer, you seem to be new to Wikipedia, so I advise you to familiarize yourself with its policies and how it works so that you can avoid such disputes in the future. If you have any questions, you can leave a note on my talk page. Cheers! Baristarim 10:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation request

This article was the subject of a mediation request on the disagreement between you on the title of this article. I've accepted this case and I invite anyone with an opinion on the correct naming of this article to explain their rationale on the mediation request's project page. I'll refrain from speaking my own opinion for now. Flakeloaf 05:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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