Talk:Assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kees08 (talk · contribs) 17:25, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	~~Unknown is spelled wrong.~~ Y ~~In the Timeline of incidents table, make capitalization consistent in the outcome column.~~ Y ~~Keep the periods and commas inside of quotation marks, for example change from because of "radioactive poisoning". to because of "radioactive poisoning."~~ Y ~~From: In January 2015, the Iranian authorities claimed to have thwarted a further attempt by Mossad to assassinate an Iranian nuclear scientist.~~ ~~To: In January 2015, the Iranian authorities claimed to have thwarted another attempt by Mossad to assassinate an Iranian nuclear scientist.~~ Y ~~Should Artesh be italicized? - In the vicinity of Artesh blvd~~ (No, per Foreign words. Y --Mhhossein ^talk 14:04, 13 February 2017 (UTC))[reply] ~~Should Velenjak be italicized? - Velenjak, in front of Shahid Beheshti University~~ Y ~~Should blvd be Blvd.?~~ (Yes Y. --Mhhossein ^talk 14:04, 13 February 2017 (UTC))[reply] ~~Should street be capitalized in Golnabi street?~~ (Yes, it's a proper name. --Mhhossein ^talk 14:04, 13 February 2017 (UTC))[reply] From: At 07:58 am, "a remote-controlled bomb attached to a motorcycle" parked near Masoud Alimohammadi's car exploded while he was leaving home in Gheytariyeh neighbourhood of northern Tehran, for university. To: At 07:58 am, "a remote-controlled bomb attached to a motorcycle" parked near Masoud Alimohammadi's car exploded while he was leaving his home in the Gheytariyeh neighbourhood of northern Tehran to go to a university. Y ~~No quotation marks needed here: The "jolt " was so strong~~ Y ~~Fix the punctuation here: I parked the motorbike near the tree... ,"~~ Y ~~Did you mean perpetrator here? - According to Maziyar Ebrahimi, one of the preparators~~ Y Apostrophe in wrong place here - had attached bombs to the professors' cars Y ~~Capitalization: in her Interrogations.~~ Y Rephrase: Rezaeinejad was killed by motorcycle borne gunmen outside the front gate of the family home, while he was driving home with his wife, Shohreh Pirani, after picking up their daughter, Armita, from kindergarten. Y Rephrase: Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan was assassinated on his way to work using "a magnetized explosive" to the side of his car "on the second anniversary" Masoud Ali Mohammadi at 8:30 morning local time "in Shahid Golnabi street in Tehran's eastern area of Seyed Khandan." Y ~~Reword: In January 2015, Iranian authorities claimed to have thwarted a further attempt by Mossad to assassinate an Iranian nuclear scientist.~~ Y
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Keep the date format the same in all citations, for example change this one to match the rest: "Tehran denies reports on scientist's "assassination"". Xinhua News Agency. 2007-02-05. Retrieved 2007-02-05.Y Sources in the citations only need to be wikilinked one time. Y
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	I am going to list out all of your sources here, and since this is a sensitive topic I will go through them one by one to verify they come from a reliable source. The Guardian - Y Time - Y Russia Today - State sponsored news agency, but used appropriately throughout the article Y The Independent Y The Globe and Mail Y CBS News Y International Business Times N ArutzSheva - fine in context Y Xinhua News Agency - State sponsored media, but used appropriately throughout article Y CNN Y Hamshahri Online The Media Line Y The New York Times Y BBC News Y Mehr News Agency - pending request below Dawn.com - Using material from AFP Y The Jerusalem Post - fine in context Y Homy lafayette N Ynetnews - fine in context Y Haaretz - fine in context Y The Telegraph Y Reuters Y Human Rights Watch Y i24news - fine given context Y National Post - In this case, it is using information from The Media Line. Y The Times of Israel - on hold pending below Khamenei - fine, since it is being used for his quotes Y
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	No vios, one thing came up but it was just published yesterday and clearly copied wiki.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Expand out both the 15 January 2007 and the 3 January 2015 incidents in your timeline. I think this is unnecessary detail and should be removed: Israel has a history of targeting scientists working for hostile regimes on technologies capable of being weaponized. In the 1960s, in Operation Damocles, Shin Bet sent parcel bombs to ex-Nazi rocket scientists working for Egyptian President Nasser.[13] Israel is also "widely believed" to have been behind the killing of scientists working for Saddam Hussein in the 1980s[13] and 1990s.[32]
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.

Response to the raised issues

Done Two minor copy edits ([1], [2]). --Mhhossein ^talk 13:27, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have been looking at this a bit, it is very close overall. After you expand out what is mentioned above, I will do a copyedit and we should be more or less good to go. Looks so much better now, thanks for all your time you put into it. Kees08 (talk) 06:35, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kees08: No details on the "15 January 2007" is published. Just two lines may be added. Is that OK with you? --Mhhossein ^talk 18:42, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I don't know what more I can add to the '15 January 2007' event. Please consider that the details on who did the assassination and on the real reason behind his death is reflected in another section. --Mhhossein ^talk 19:14, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mhhossein: Based on publication dates, and the fact that the International Business Times itself said it is not a newspaper of record, I would recommend replacing those citations with the article it appears it borrowed content from.

~~I would prefer if the homylafayette source is replaced with other sources, as it is an inactive blog with no one vetting the information.~~ Kees08 (talk) 20:47, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the source as you had raised concern over it. I think this form is better, too. --Mhhossein ^talk 18:55, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The IBT source was replaced with the suggested one. --Mhhossein ^talk 13:08, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can we get another citation for this paragraph? "According to Maziyar Ebrahimi, one of the preparators with the pseudonym Amiryal (Persian: "امیریل"‎‎), three teams were involved in the assassination of Alimohammadi. "Some of them were on their cars watching the situation and covering the area and I was in my car in a further place from the incident place waiting to take them away after the explosion was done," said Ebrahimi in his reported interrogations."

Can we get another citation for this? - It was reported by "US private intelligence" that he died because of "radioactive poisoning".

I think we should get rid of the information relating to this in this article. "In January 2015, Iranian authorities claimed to have thwarted a further attempt by Mossad to assassinate an Iranian nuclear scientist.[4]" There really doesn't seem to be any information about it aside from the one Iranian report. The other assassinations are very well documented from a variety of news agencies from around the world. Thoughts about this?

Really, the 2007 incident as well does not seem to be covered by any of the major non-biased news agencies. They do not seem to link that with the other attacks. I think it may be best to keep the events covered in this article limited to the 2010-2012 events. What do you think? Kees08 (talk) 03:57, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kees08: As far as I saw, "According to Maziyar Ebrahimi..." was originally published by YJC. ِِDo you want me to replace that with this source? Also, please note that these details are based on a documentary which is mentioned in the article.

Regarding the "radioactive poisoning" issue, I found another source with same allegation. I understood that by "US private intelligence", they mean Stratfor. You can find the original report here. Mhhossein ^talk 13:58, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think there is enough information on the 2007 incident to keep it in the article. I'll take a look at all of this later in the week. Kees08 (talk) 06:40, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing review

Alright, I'll put everything left to-do below. You can ignore anything left above. If it is still relevant I'll chuck it below.

~~Remove supposed, the next sentence takes care of the definition: Ardeshir Hosseinpour reportedly died of gas poisoning from a supposed faulty heater,~~

~~Take US private intelligence out of quotes, and add in the sentence that it was Stratfor. I don't think radioactive poisoning needs to be in quotes either.~~

~~Change from claims and suggestions to reports: though claims or suggestions~~

Are all these quotation marks necessary? Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan was assassinated using "a magnetized explosive" attached to the side of his car on his way to work "on the second anniversary" of Masoud Ali Mohammadi at 8:30 morning local time "in Shahid Golnabi street in Tehran's eastern area of Seyed Khandan."

I think this is unnecessary detail and should be removed: Israel has a history of targeting scientists working for hostile regimes on technologies capable of being weaponized. In the 1960s, in Operation Damocles, Shin Bet sent parcel bombs to ex-Nazi rocket scientists working for Egyptian President Nasser.[13] Israel is also "widely believed" to have been behind the killing of scientists working for Saddam Hussein in the 1980s[13] and 1990s.[32]

User:Kees08: Those pints were addressed. Regarding the so-called "unnecessary detail"; These details are all from the sources directly dealing with our case, i.e. Assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists, and are used as context by the sources for erecting their claims. Do you still think they are not necessary?

Yeah, I still think it is not necessary. Kees08 (talk) 17:03, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Kees08: I did the job. However, I would be grateful to know why you thought that part was not necessary. --Mhhossein ^talk 12:10, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course. Sorry for brevity before, was on my phone. It was a combination of reasons. I didn't think it flowed well in the article there, it was out of place. It starts treading into NPOV issues, as we did not talk about any other of the accused countries' histories in assassinations. I think those are the two biggest issues I had with it, hopefully that rationale seems reasonable. I'll do one final read-through of the article and if all seems well, I'll pass it. Kees08 (talk) 08:10, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]