Talk:Ashley Lauren Fisher

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Explanation of some edits

"The Red Bandana Award" is comparable to "Naruto69's Kewl Website Of the DAy!!". Anyone can be "awarded" one.

"The Female Legends Award" returns no useful Google links except one which appears to show that the "award" is like "student of the week" at a university.

I removed the entire section regarding her restaurant, as although grand claims of awards and notability were made, a little googling showed that most of the "awards", "four star" mentions etc. were not real awards, just user reviews from a city restaurant site. It was very subtle, not enough to satisfy G10 maybe, but still purely promotional.

I'm not entirely unconvinced that this article is a brilliant troll. Hopefully others can find more sources to back up the content.Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 04:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edits again

User Ashleylf and her puppet Websol01 are replacing the page with an alternate version which is much shorter and includes the message "PLEASE REMOVE PREVIOUS VERSION" or something.

However, the old version just squeaked through an AFD and should be edited, not replaced wholesale.

The new version is so short and lacking in references and assertions of notability that it is likely to fail a speedy deletion under WP:BIO. Ashley (if I may call you that), think carefully about your editing here. Do you want your autobiography removed or improved? Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 01:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Editing without discussion or filling in edit summaries does not qualify as a good-faith edit under 3RR and I will continue to revert your edits until you discuss the issue here. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 06:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Ashley Lauren Fisher

You really want to have an article on Wikipedia, I can tell. I understand. It's hard to look around the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit and see articles on all these people about whom you think "This bozo gets an article? He's only 12!" or "ALL he did was set up a cell phone carrier in Rwanda? Pfft!"

But you have to realise that what these people have in common, and you are on the verge of not having, is notability. They did something special, and other people who work for well-known publishing entities produced verifiable content about them. They didn't just pay someone to design a web page for them, or have their friends put up a few fluffy sentences about them on their ~~blog~~ personal web site.

You may notice that the last time your article was considered for deletion, the result was no consensus. This is not like a court of law where "not guilty" also means "really truly didn't do the crime". It's more like "there was no clear indicator that the article should be deleted or kept" and I believe that is more due to the criteria I raised rather than your article itself.

The edits you have made and are continuing to make are weakening your case for keeping the article. First you remove most of the content that tenuously established notability. Then you change references from apparently reliable third-party sources to your friend's web site. You increase the size of your photo (it's a very unflattering photo, by the way) to 200% of the established guideline, and you refuse to participate in discussion on the talk page or leave constructive comments in your edit summaries.

On top of all this, you are in clear violation of Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines because you are writing your own autobiography and trampling all over other editor's work!

I'm trying to make your article better, I really am. I went looking for sources and found very little, but at least added some citations to the claims you made. But if you want to continue to ignore guidelines and engage in blatant self-promotion, I'm going to nominate your article for deletion again, and your edit history (under Ashleylf, Websol01 and Websolmd) is really not going to help your case. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 01:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Simon-in-sagamihara

We are now editing the contents and are trying to follow the Wikipedia guidelines. As what you can see, we are new to Wikipedia, and are still learning the process of submitting an article in this site. This might not be an excuse, but we hope that you will give another consideration on our part. As for the accounts (Ashleylf, Websol01 and Websolmd), a team of several individual is doing and contributing in this article.

Thanks.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.52.226.59 (talk • contribs) 00:18, May 4, 2010

To Ashleylf, Websol01 and Websolmd... Please know that editors more familiar with the editing criteria of Wikipedia are looking in and making contributions and corrections to the article. While you are most welcome to edit, please understand that if something you add is removed or modified by someone else, it is only because Wikipedia has a certain way that things need be done. User:Simon-in-sagamihara is trying only to help... as am I. Anything added must be properly sourced and meet the various criteria for inclusion. I invite you to read my own essay-under-work at User:MichaelQSchmidt/Newcomer's guide to guidelines. It is as yet incomplete, but it may help you a bit in getting a grip on what can be a confusing process. Best regards, --Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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