Talk:Ashes to Ashes (Kluger book)

	Books portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Books. To participate in the project, please visit its page, where you can join the project and discuss matters related to book articles. To use this banner, please refer to the documentation. To improve this article, please refer to the relevant guideline for the type of work.BooksWikipedia:WikiProject BooksTemplate:WikiProject BooksBook articles
	It is requested that a picture or pictures be included in this article to improve its quality.

Requested move 5 February 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Ashes to Ashes (Kluger book). Consensus finds that the "(Kluger book)" is the preferable form of disambiguation, as the book's subtitle is long enough that WP:CONCISE concerns override the baseline preference for WP:NATURAL disambiguation.

It has also been proposed that Ashes to Ashes (novel) be merged into Tami Hoag. At the time of this closure, no action has been taken to pursue such a merge; however, if Ashes to Ashes (novel) gets merged or deleted, this move can be reverted. (non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:13, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ashes to Ashes (book) → Ashes to Ashes (nonfiction book) – There also exist a novel of the same title. An anonymous username, not my real name 05:41, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Ashes to Ashes (novel) does not appear to meet WP:NBOOK and should probably be merged to Tami Hoag. 162 etc. (talk) 17:48, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If the merge is not carried out, Ashes to Ashes (Kluger book) is the preferable disambiguation. 162 etc. (talk) 17:52, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Novel Ashes to Ashes" produced several results in GBook search from Isabel Ostrander onwards. But this book already has long natural disambiguation in print sources as Ashes to Ashes - America's Hundred-Year Cigarette War, the Public Health, and the Unabashed Triumph of Philip Morris . WP:NATURAL would indicate that as a title. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:00, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SUBTITLE asks us to consider the WP:CONCISE title as well; I'd argue that Ashes to Ashes - America's Hundred-Year Cigarette War, the Public Health, and the Unabashed Triumph of Philip Morris is excessively long. 162 etc. (talk) 16:31, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If the merge is not carried out, 162 etc. is right that Ashes to Ashes (Kluger book) is the appropriate title, per WP:SUBTITLE. The suggested alternative "natural disambiguation" is so long that, with Vector 2022, it may stretch over as many as three lines for some readers. Graham (talk) 06:01, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.