Talk:Arvirargus

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I moved the following paragraph here. I've never heard the Domesday line before, and the others are unsourced.

Arvirargus is also connected to the legend that Joseph of Arimathea brought Christianity to Britain. The Domesday Book (1086) records that Arviragus granted Joseph and his followers "twelve hides of land tax free, in Ynis-witrin (Glastonbury)" (the Domesday Book also says that "The Domus Dei, in the great monastery of Glastonbury, called the Secret of the Lord, this Glastonbury Church possesses, in its own villa XII hides of land which have never paid tax"). William of Malmesbury's De Antiquitate Glastoniensis Ecclesiae (1126) and John Hardyng's Chronicle (1464) also refer to the king giving Joseph land at Glastonbury.

--Cúchullain ^t/c 22:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Domesday reference is certainly inaccurate. I've recently got the Penguin translation, and while there is reference to a church with "12 hides which have never paid geld", it's not called the "Domus Dei" or the "Secret of the Lord", and there's no mention of Arviragus or Joseph of Arimathea. I don't know about the Hardyng or Malmesbury references, but it does seem that pseudohistorians are fond of citing works they know few of their readers are going to be able to check, and claiming they say more than they do. --Nicknack009 07:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Out of interest, the Domesday claim and other traditions of the West Country about Joseph of Arimathea are set out in this 1977 documentary Shtove (talk) 00:21, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've watched the beginning of your "documentary". Nothing but credulous, unevidenced assertions, uploaded to Youtube by someone who approvingly cites Jowett's Drama of the Lost Disciples, so worthless. Any reliable sources? --Nicknack009 (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's not mine, and it was only out of interest, not intended as a reference. Shtove (talk) 13:13, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Falling from his British chariot-pole

Just a thought. The Arviragus mentioned by Juvenal is usually taken to be a British king or resistance leader. But the discovery of a Roman chariot-racing track at Colchester,[1] which may date to the late first century, suggests another possible explanation. The earliest known British racing driver? --Nicknack009 19:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Numismatic 'evidence'

When someone has time, it's worth noting in the article that William Camden and others in the 16th–19th centuries considered 'British' coins with legends similar to ARIVOG ONO NVS to have been minted under the 'reign' of 'Arvirargus', 'providing' his historicity and even getting into arguments about possible Christian symbolism. Those coins turned out to have been worn or partially offstruck products of coinage that actually read ARIVOS SANTONOS and that had been struck somewhere in Gaul, presumably by some chief of the Santones named or titled Arivos (1, 2, 3). — LlywelynII 15:01, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]