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The identity of "Arvid Noe" was not lifted by an author in 2011 but by German "Spiegel TV" in the early 90s! (09.Nov.2014)

= --91.7.88.114 (talk) 13:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

my father has been a doctor at one of Norway's biggest hospitals (Rikshospitalet) for the last 30 years and he has never heard anything about this and he says this is bullshit, is this some kinda joke or can anyone come up with some sources? -Hohenstaufen

This is true. Go here: http://www.mednat.org/aids/aids_incidente.htm Although the site is an AIDS conspiracy site, the Arvid Noe case is factual. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course this is true. I've revealed his identity as Arne Roed (source: Spiegel TV, Germany). Sc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.166.43.192 (talk) 21:50, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here another source: http://www.geni.com/people/Arne-R%C3%B8ed/6000000001084483067 and a german magazine-article on the issue (Spiegel 1989): http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-13496795.html

unsigned comment added by 80.108.126.76 (talk) 01:34, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm German and have never heard of "famous" violinist "Herbert Heinrich". Moreover, a German google search on that name + "violinist" doesn't reveal anything, much less on "Herbert Heinrich" + AIDS. The only source given for this whole entry is a BMJ article written by Edward Hooper, whose AIDS Origins theory is by now largely regarded as disproven, and whose website looks and feels like just one more conspiracy theory website. I really suspect that 90% of that stuff is made up. --91.7.88.114 (talk) 12:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After further research on my part: The BMJ article cited as a source (Sailors and star-bursts, and the arrival of HIV) only lists ONE original article in a scientific journal about this case: "Jonassen Tø, Stene-Johansen K, Berg ES, Hungnes O, Lindboe CF, Frøland SS, et al. Sequence analysis of HIV-1 group O from Norwegian patients infected in the 1960s. Virology 1997;231:43-7." Sadly, I have no access to this article. Can anybody confirm if this article really is sufficient base for all of Hooper's colorful tales about the travelling Norwegian sailor? I very much doubt that. --91.7.88.114 (talk) 13:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need to do scientific research. Everyday media (no conspiracy theory) in Germany was portraying the case in the 80s/90s, exempli gratia Spiegel TV.

The documentary is very interesting. It shows the case of the sailor and truck driver, the scientific research - at the beginning they could not scan his early AIDS type - and the graves of his whole family. I named his identity in the article. Sc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.166.43.192 (talk) 21:57, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Um, how did the nine-year-old get it? Was she having sex with her parents? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.172.186.128 (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AIDS can transmitted to children to unborn children in utero, and through childbirth, and it happens quite often. There's a 25% chance or so, according to the AIDS article we have on Wikipedia. She got it through childbirth, obviously. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

note that the sailor contracted HIV around 61-62, so he probably infected his wife before the pregancy and the mother passed it on to child.--84.174.243.103 (talk) 05:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to BMJ 1997;315:1689-1691 (20 December), Education and debate, Sailors and star-bursts, and the arrival of HIV http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/315/7123/168 "Edward Hooper, writer and medical researcher." 124.169.22.60 (talk) 03:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What ethnic group is he from?

Since we do not know his real name can he actaully be called norwegian? The people who gave him the alias him arvid noe may have made up an entirely different nationality for him than as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.99.132.30 (talk) 16:36, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update

As there has been no discussion of late, I thought an update would be important. Arvid Darre Noe was an anagram for Arne Vidar Roed. He died on April 24, 1976. To hide the identities for a period of time, other information was also misleading. His wife died in December of that year. His daughter died January 4, 1975. Reports listed the wife and daughter as dying in 1977. Reports also had the daughter listed as nine at the time of death. She was actually seven for four days. The mother was likely, but not proven, to have acquired HIV from Arne Roed after the birth of their two older daughters. He admitted he was very sexually active. In fact, they had three daughters born in 1964, 1966, and 1967, so he was quite active with his wife, as well. User:Daviddaniel37 18:28 6 April 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.104.246 (talk) 01:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Name: Solveig Oline Røed Death Date: 21 Dec 1976 Burial Place: Horten, Vestfold, Norway Age: 33 Birth Date: 7 Jun 1943

Name: Bente Wivian Røed Death Date: 4 Jan 1975 Burial Place: Horten, Vestfold, Norway Age: 7 Birth Date: 31 Dec 1967 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.104.246 (talk) 03:22, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bulbs (talk) 17:36, 30 August 2014 (UTC)They all died in 1976. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004268229798510X And the daughter's middlename is spelled Viviann. The Spiegel article got the name right and the pdf shows a picture of the grave. They're buried in Borre Cemetery, just outside of Horten.[reply]

Thanks for the correction. How can I view the grave? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.104.246 (talk) 04:42, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bulbs (talk) 05:56, 31 August 2014 (UTC) http://magazin.spiegel.de/EpubDelivery/spiegel/pdf/13496795[reply]

Thanks so much. I do see the name is Viviann. I can't make out the death date on the tombstone, however. The other source (sciencedirect)might be correct or incorrect, as names and dates were changed to protect their identities. The Norwegian Burial Index lists Bente's death date as January 4, 1975, and, of course, they could be mistaken, as well. But I copied it directly from there and pasted it above. I wish there was one more source. A genealogy is vague and guesses the year of death of Bente with no month and day. Again, thanks.

Bulbs (talk) 19:15, 31 August 2014 (UTC)The Norwegian Burial Index..(Gravminner?).. Well, they're not 100 percent accurate. And in this case they got both the middlename and the year of death wrong. I've got a much better picture of the grave where you can clearly see the dates.[reply]