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Looks like an Obama campaign worker heavily edited this page. And why is it obvious, as the article says, that Sulzberger Jr. is anti-Obama?

Its fairly obvious that this article was written by a partisan of the right whose intention is to smear the NY Times. Not a particularly balanced article.

What about Pinch having affairs with employees wives? That is why his wife is leaving him. He makes Tiger look like a faithful husband! The 14% mortgage loan from Slim should also be included. What did he learn at b school if he signs away the family assets for a 14% loan! Pinch seems to be drinking his namesake from Scotland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.94.14 (talk) 06:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Trust

Kudos to the person who tried to smear Sulzberger by using an out-of-context, incorrectly-quoted scene regarding Vietnam from "The Trust." The two men were drunk after a night on the Boston Common (not arrested after an antiwar protest, as cited) and Sulzberger Jr. said something negative about Vietnam in order to deliberately provoke his father, who was a strong supporter of the war (page 499, "The Trust: The Private and Powerful Family Behind the New York Times," by Susan Tifft and Alex Jones). You may not like The Times (there is some justification in your viewpoint), but please, let's stick to the facts, shall we?The Invisible Man 05:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's Not What You Know...

How many Times ataffers got -- or at least kept their jobs -- thanks to some association with the Sulzbergers, and Arthur Jr. in particular? There was a grossly incompetent picture editor (initials YAA) who was moved from one desk to another but was kept on due to her having Arthur Jr. as a "rabbi" (newspaper term for a mentor). She only recently retired at age 69, but had been drawing down a salary of $75-80K a year. A clerical supervisor (essentially a thug of the masthead) with the initials ES got her job at the Times after having met Arthur Jr. and his wife on a cruise in the mid-90's. She's now kicked upstairs to some cushy make-work job on the business side, earning $60K annually. RexTyler 13 January 2007

Deletion due to WP:BLP

[.... deleted comment that provides no sources for what the commenter "recalls", as per WP:BLP. --NYScholar (talk) 19:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)][reply]

Reference to 52-story day-care needs to be sourced

For the person who wanted a reference to this ... was in a cartoon today: Day-care center joke Once I saw the cartoon, I knew it would end up on this page. Hardnfast 01:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was me who wanted to know the source. I'm now coming "up to speed" on the whole "Wikipedia Scanner" news story as it relates to The New York Times. Funny cartoon now that I know the context. Given all of the other organizations that have been given more prominent attention in the news coverage I've read about the Wikipedia Scanner, I still don't think this is a major enough event to warrant inclusion into the the Times article, though. First draft of history 01:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, just thought the person who wanted a reference for this would like to know it was a joke not a legitimate edit. Hardnfast 10:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Political Leanings

What are the political leanings of Aurthur Ochs Sulzberger and other New York Times owners?

It seems that this is a key detail and should be a part of this article.

24.8.106.182 (talk) 21:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Missing citations; plagiarism from sources

This article needs proper source citations (notes) throughout to show sources of its statements throughout. It currently shows evidene of plagiarism and violates WP:V and WP:BLP#Sources; see templates and links to WP:POL within them. Those who added material to this article need to provide their sources in citations throughout. Thank you. --NYScholar (talk) 20:06, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Source citations to the book by Tifft and Jones needs exact page references throughout to document any statements deriving from their book. (See "preview" mode of article for editorial interpolation re: that problem.) Thanks.--NYScholar (talk) 20:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No spam

Amazon.com advertisements for books are not proper format in "References" in place of proper ISBN nos. (Wikified links), which lead to WorldCat and other search facilities for publication information about editions of books. Earlier I substituted the ISBN nos. for links to Amazon.com throughout. Wikipedia articles are not supposed to advertise books or authors; see WP:Spam. The ISBN nos. and precise publishing information are better format for "References" and notes citations. --NYScholar (talk) 20:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This entry is an embarrassment to Wikipedia. I was merely seeking some info on the publisher of the nation's paper of record -- only to find a limited and largely uninformative article way below the normal standard I have come to expect and what other editors insist upon in my own contributions to this on-line compendium. I have no axe to grind; I greatly respect the NY Times but realize its limitations in the modern media context. Why isn't this article more informative, complete and better sourced? Where are the senior editors? (Please forgive my limited formatting -- I am editing on an I-Phone.) Theophilus Reed (talk) 07:47, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because there are nearly three million articles on Wikipedia, and it would probably take ten times that many people to make all of those articles FA-status. jj137 (talk) 01:54, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Correcting the name of Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr.s son

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"Please change Arthur Gregg Sulzberger III to Arthur Gregg Sulzberger"

I know his correct name from several sources: 1) personal communication with Arthur Gregg 2)his byline in the Times (A.G. Sulzberger) where he is now a reporter and 3) an interview with his father in the book "The Trust: The Private and Public Family Behind the New York Times" p.561 in which A. O. Sulzberger, Jr. explains why he purposely gave Arthur Gregg a different middle name from his so that he would NOT be the III. Hydrangean (talk) 17:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC) Hydrangean[reply]

Done →Σ τ c. 07:55, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage

Making sure this has been noticed...

--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:38, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thanks Jimbo! Trinitresque (talk) 15:38, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 April 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: To be Moved. I will request at WP:RMT, as requires admin assistance. (non-admin closure) — Amakuru (talk) 08:16, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. → Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr. – Remove comma per WP:JR and all recent precedents, and the way his own company does it. Dicklyon (talk) 01:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support as nom. As I said above, WP:JR says wikipedia prefers to not use the comma; most modern grammar and style guides and most publishers agree. The NYT is actually still mixed in how they style his name; e.g. this one has no comma, but his new bio does. The one linked on the article, last I checked, did not, but now it has disappeared. Dicklyon (talk) 02:02, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support, I would not oppose not grandfathering this in. His father's name is the iconic name of the two, not his, so a commaless Jr. here does not override the public consciousness of the subject's common name and identity. Similar to Martin Luther King, Jr. and his father, one is historically identified with including the comma as part of his name, the other is little known and thus not largely identified with using or not using the comma. Sulzberger Jr. is pretty much "juniored" by his accomplished father who, if he was also a Jr., would be another story. Randy Kryn 15:46, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Randy, thanks for your support, even though I do not understand it. Dicklyon (talk) 16:43, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support per MOS:JR, MOS:IDENTITY, WP:ABOUTSELF. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 23:07, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Proposed article improvements

Hello! On behalf of The New York Times Company as part of my work at Beutler Ink (see disclosure above), I'd like to submit a few requests to expand and update this article. First, I'd like to suggest: 1) removing one paragraph, and 2) creating a new section to separate the subject's career and civic service information:

1. I'd like editors to consider removing the following text: "Sulzberger has been credited with developing the Times's internet operations, monetizing digital content, and helping to improve the paper's profits.^[1] The domain "nytimes.com" attracted at least 146,000,000 visitors annually by 2008, according to a Compete.com study. The New York Times Web site was ranked 59th with more than 20,000,000 unique visitors in March 2009, making it the most visited newspaper site with more than twice as many unique visitors as the next most popular site. The Times also had the most entries in the list of the 50 most popular newspaper blogs, with 22 of its blogs listed that year.^[2] The first source (labeled as The New York Times) is actually a dead link to a BusinessWire press release. The second source does not even mention the subject. Finally, the text is more about the company than Sulzberger. For these reasons, I do not think the text is appropriate.

References

^ "The New York Times Company Reports NYTimes.com's Record-Breaking Traffic for March". The New York Times. April 18, 2005. Retrieved September 15, 2008.
^ "The 50 Most Popular Newspaper Blogs". Business Insider. Archived from the original on May 10, 2009. Retrieved April 22, 2009.

2. I propose creating a new section for his work as chairman of the Times Square Business Improvement District and NYC Outward Bound, called Affiliations. I will have additional requests for both the Career and Affiliations sections, but for now I'm only proposing a structural change to separate career and civic service details.

I've saved a draft rendering of the proposed changes here, and this diff shows the specific markup changes for easier review.

Can editors please review this request and update the article appropriately on my behalf? I will not update the article directly because of my conflict of interest. I've tried to show changes clearly and make the proposed markup easy to copy and paste. I'm happy to address any concerns.

Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 15:11, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Westminster88: You were kind enough to assist with requested updates to the Meredith Kopit Levien article. Might you be willing to help here as well? Inkian Jason (talk) 21:00, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inkian Jason - I have made the changes, found them reasonable. Westminster88 (talk) 08:17, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:15, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requests for Early life and Affiliations sections

@Westminster88: Thank you for your help above. I have a couple additional suggestions:

1. I suggest changing the Early life section to Early life and education, which seems standard for biographies. Additionally, at the end of this section, I propose adding: "He was "vehemently opposed" to the Vietnam War and was arrested at protest rallies in the 1970s.^[1]"

References

^ Auletta, Ken (December 12, 2005). "The Inheritance: Can Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., save the Times—and himself?". The New Yorker. Retrieved September 16, 2020. Arthur, Jr., leaned to the left (he had been vehemently opposed to the Vietnam War, and was arrested more than once at protest rallies).

2. In the Affiliations section, I propose changing "Sulzberger helped to found and was a two-term chairman of the New York City Outward Bound organization to the following: "An avid outdoorsman, Sulzberger helped to found and was a two-term chairman of the New York City Outward Bound organization,^[1] and currently serves on the board of the Mohonk Preserve.^[2]" Sources like this say the subject enjoys motorcycle treks and rock climbing, so I'm hoping "outdoorsman" is an appropriate summary; my primary goal here is to add mention of this additional board role and group these as interests in outdoor education and preservation. I'm hoping this wording provides a bit of context and separation from the first paragraph, which is about business development.

References

^ "Robert Miller Named Chairman of NYC Outward Bound Board" (PDF). NYC Outward Bound. January 3, 2007. Archived from the original (PDF) on May 12, 2013. Retrieved 2014-05-16.
^ "Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr". International Center for Journalists. Retrieved September 16, 2020.

I don't believe these additions are particularly controversial, but I will let neutral editors decide. Can someone please review this request and update the article appropriately on my behalf? Thank you in advance. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:15, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Inkian Jason: I have made the changes to suit neutrality. If you want to add the outdoorsman adjective, maybe personal life would be a more appropriate section (with relevant citations). Westminster88 (talk) 12:35, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for your help. Inkian Jason (talk) 14:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "The New York Times Company Reports NYTimes.com's Record-Breaking Traffic for March". The New York Times. April 18, 2005. Retrieved September 15, 2008.

[2] "The 50 Most Popular Newspaper Blogs". Business Insider. Archived from the original on May 10, 2009. Retrieved April 22, 2009.

[3] Auletta, Ken (December 12, 2005). "The Inheritance: Can Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., save the Times—and himself?". The New Yorker. Retrieved September 16, 2020. Arthur, Jr., leaned to the left (he had been vehemently opposed to the Vietnam War, and was arrested more than once at protest rallies).

[4] "Robert Miller Named Chairman of NYC Outward Bound Board" (PDF). NYC Outward Bound. January 3, 2007. Archived from the original (PDF) on May 12, 2013. Retrieved 2014-05-16.

[5] "Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr". International Center for Journalists. Retrieved September 16, 2020.

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