Talk:Arsen Dedić/Archive 1

Archive 1

His origin

His father's origin is from Montenegro, and his mother was Croat, so the fact that his brother, who lives in Belgrade feels as a Serb doesn't mean anything compared to the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.161.120.110 (talk) 09:39, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Their father was ethnic Serb, their mother ethnic Croat. These facts are included in the article.--Zoupan 19:52, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Sources

Dear Zoupan, I delivered sources that you requested after deleting my edits. In an interview that took place on January 19th Arsen himself explicitly called his mother Veronika. In other article, a retrospection by Nenad Polimac, this was further clarified stating that his mother's name was Veronika, but she was nicknamed Jelka . I hope that citing articles (as you did) is a source reliable enough.

References

Croatian singer and songwriter

He lived and worked in Croatia for most of his life, labeled for Croatian musical companies, therefore he's Croatian singer and songwriter. Ethnicity doesn't play role in determination to which country his works belong. (note, we don't even know how he personally viewed himself as he comes from mixed croatian-serbian family). Just write he was Croatian singer/songwriter/composer and put ethnicity of parents later on, where it belongs, in personal life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.65.228.115 (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely, I support that his ethnic descent not be included in the introduction, but in the article body.--Zoupan 19:54, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

His father isn't Serbian

I'm new to Wikipedia and I made an edit but it was badly made, so I apologize, don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to editing Wikipedia syntax and I'm not really sure that it was actually saved. If it was saved I'm sure someone with more experience will come along and fix it.

But what I want to point out is that one of the sources that is used to substantiate the claim that his father was an ethnic Serb actually has Arsen himself saying that his father was a 'Morlacchi' -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlachs In the interview he used it in a sentence like so -> 'mi to kažemo morlačkog življa' => "We say that it's morlacchi people/lives/living" He also states that his father converted to Orthodox Religion because the Serbian Orthodox Church gave people free land and housing if they converted to Orthodoxy (a common pratice of the Serbian Orthodox Church used in the past so they can say that there are more serbian people than there really are by pushing the narrative that a persons religion denominates ethnicity). He concludes with saying "That is how my fathers ancestors converted to orthodoxy". I took the anwser he gave and pasted it below this sentence, but please double check the article on your own.

"- Gledajte, mene je rodila čista, što bi se reklo, Hrvatica – katolkinja, Veronika Mišković, a ćaća mi je bio ortodoks – dakle pravoslavac. Morate znati da je u Šibeniku i oko njega živjelo puno, mi to kažemo morlačkog življa. U tom vremenu ljudi su prihvaćali religije onako kako je tko pružao mogućnost održanja, životnog spasa, stjecanja nekog malog posjeda. U to neko vrijeme, recimo, pravoslavna crkva je davala najviše takvih posjeda. Tako su preci mog oca uzeli pravoslavlje."

Morlaki (or Vlaji, Vlasi) aren't automatically Serbian. That is like saying that all people from the USA are Native Americans or that all Native Americans are white Europeans. Morlaki are possibly Romanian but no one is really sure what they are. One view is that it was anyone that wasn't pleasant that was deemed a Morlach.

And I feel like the other source for his father being an ethnic Serb surely violates some Wikipedia rule. It's simply too suspicious because some of the questions feel like they are purposely written in a way to disparage everything croatian, plus you have people in the comments of that article saying how the article is biased, although they still seem to believe that he is serbian, but that's where the other source comes into play. The first one has photographs that were taken during the interview so it's more legit I guess (it's the one where Arsen says his father is a Morlach).

My position is that this is yet another situation where overzealous serbian editors deem anyone that has one parent of the Orthodox Religion or sometimes deem only the parent (like in this case) for being of a certain religion, a 'Serb'. VEcev (talk) 10:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC)VEcev