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Changed his nationality from "American" to "Icelandic/American". His decision to play for the U.S. did not change his nationality or citizenship. He remains an Icelander as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.209.242.8 (talk) 13:07, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@ArsenalFan700, Winner 42, and Mikemor92: and IPs for which pinging doesn't do anything, please discuss. Start a RfC if you feel inclined. Thank you for your cooperation. — MusikAnimal talk 18:52, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers mate. To add my point, Johannsson is Icelandic and American but to go with the usual style of player articles on wikipedia, if he plays for the country of his birth (United States) then we state that he is American in the intro and add info about how he was born to Icelandic parents and how he lived there in the body. It is just the usual style. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 18:55, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not correct. Lot of players such as NBA players referred to in this style, such as Mutumbo and Patrick Ewing. Aron was born in the USA when his parents were students there, but was (and still is)a Icelandic citizen all his life until decided to play for the USA when he got a US passport. He was coached as a child in Iceland and played for Icelandic clubs and the youth national teams. He did indeed go as an exchange student to the US for one year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.39.9.212 (talk) 19:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If he were a basketball player in the NBA or at the international level appealing to the NBA would be correct, but since he plays association football, that's not really a valid comparison.
Is he known for being a footballer or an Icelander? If it's the former then use his FIFA recognized nationality. If it's the latter, then use his passport.
The simple solution is to state that Aron Jóhannsson (born November 10, 1990) is an American international soccer player who plays as a striker for club side Eredivisie side AZ. Linking to USMNT over "American international soccer".
As far as hist "nationality", WP:OPENPARAGRAPH, item 3.1 "In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident", but this isn't most cases, this is a person who plays a sport and is known for the sport. In that case, the nationality that the subject elects FIFA to authorize is what should be displayed. His heritage should be discussed in the background section. 208.81.212.222 (talk) 21:53, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please stop changing the nationality of Aron!!!! He is Originally and mostly Icelandic, but got american pass couple of years back so he could play in the World Cup with US. Aron is first and foremost Icelandic, but with US passport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zorro1972 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And just to avoid any misunderstanding. Aron is still an Icelandic citizen, he just got the US passport to play for the US team, so has double citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.100.233.56 (talk) 21:14, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The general rule for footballers/soccer players is that their FIFA-recognized nationality is what is displayed in the opening paragraph and any other information is discussed in the biography section. That follows WP:MOSBIO and WP:FOOTY among other guidelines. Jóhannsson is not known for being Iclandic but for being a professional athlete. That and only that should be reflected in the first paragraph. The anon who made the suggestion above probably has it right:
'''Aron Jóhannsson''' (born November 10, 1990) is an [[United States men's national soccer team|American international]] [[association football|soccer]] player, who plays as a [[Forward (association football)|striker]] for [[AZ (football club)|AZ]] in Iceland's [[Eredivisie]]."
No links to the United States. No links to Iceland as that violates WP:OVERLINK. I will make the change unless there are objections from guidelines or manuals of style. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:26, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it that John Brooks is German-American and Aron who only acquired US passport couple of years ago and is an Icelander cannot be referred to as an Icelandic-America? I think that is a bit strange that you do not change that one as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.238.192.236 (talk) 22:32, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Every article has its own history and I don't monitor all articles nor do I need to. I know of an Australian-born player who plays for Turkey, and he's listed as Turkish. I know of a German-born player who played for Germany as a youth and now plays for the United States who is listed as American. I know other players who don't list the nationality at all. WP:OPENPARA is clear though. Aron is notable as a footballer, not as an American or an Iclander. There is no need to list nationality at all, but it is convention to list the national team, not birth nation if they are different. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:38, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK, then he is simply a footballer, think that solves it. So no American or Icelandic or a combination of both. Will revert to the right version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.238.192.236 (talk) 22:44, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You're in no position to demand a change to the consensus response. As you can see above, American is to be in the lede. Do not change it again until a new consensus is reached. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be some kind of god here, so it seems like your consesus is the correct one right? :) And then you go and undo edits I did to other articles and screw them up, like the totally wrong lineup of the Icelandic national team, way to go. :) Have a good one mate. :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.238.192.236 (talk) 22:59, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. I'm active and I know my way around. I'm offering you my advice, but you're free to ignore it. It's not my consensus. It's the one that was reached in the discussion above. My suggested edit was ignored. The edits you made to other articles were wrong because you added redlinks. That warning was placed on your talk page as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:02, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK, Aron was referred to as "a footballer playing for US and WB" for more than a year, then you changed it back.FYI I added players that are totally new to the national team, so do not have their own page yet. They are still on the team, so should not be left out. I actually plan to create their pages when I have time. But reverting to the former version is totally wrong as it includes a player from different country and players not on the team. :) I am done with this one, seems like this has turned into some kind of personal thing for you buddy. ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.238.192.236 (talk) 23:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You changed one player and added other redlinks. If they don't have articles either write the article first or don't link. Not personal, just standard. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:11, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Changed player from wrong country to the one it should have been, removed players, changed wrong positions and added one redlink, the other were there before. ;) Anyway should not really be discussing this on this talk page as it is not relevant. Have a good one, over and out. ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.238.192.236 (talk) 23:14, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not you changed it to your nationalistic preference. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:29, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha, whatever. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.238.192.236 (talk) 23:31, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article calls him "Aron" throughout instead of "Jóhannsson"

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Hi everyone. I rarely ever edit on Wikipedia, rather choosing instead to just read the articles, especially U.S. Soccer-related ones. But I couldn't help but notice that nearly this entire article refers to Jóhannsson by his first name instead of his last name. I've read dozens of articles on other current USMNT players, and all of them follow the standard of referring to the player's last name. Should this be changed? Thanks in advance for any input. 208.102.105.74 (talk) 08:32, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. You are correct. It should follow MOS:BIO/MOS:SURNAME. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:32, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Following the policy would mean referring to him as Aron rather than as Jóhannsson. Jóhannsson isn't a surname; it's a patronymic. Jóhannsson isn't a name that's carried down ever generation, but just refers to his father's first name. In fact, MOS:SURNAME specifically uses another Icelander as an example to demonstrate that we should use the first/given name for Icelanders in subsequent uses. So unless there's another policy someone stating that we follow naming conventions based on the national team he plays for, then Aron is the proper name for subsequent references. --JamesAM (talk) 03:56, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

JamesAM is right, a person with Icelandic name would never be referred to by the last name, always first name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.238.192.236 (talk) 05:23, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's also what MOS:SURNAME states. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:00, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
) Yes correct, valid for the English version just like the Icelandic one. :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.238.192.236 (talk) 07:00, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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