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Who were they fighting?

This article seems a little unclear at the start about who was involved in this fighting. As a featured article, it seemed like I had to read quite a bit of the introductory paragraphs before I got any idea of who this army was fighting with. Maybe because I have only a minimal background in this history -- possibly someone more expert in this area would understand this more. But shouldn't a featured article be clear to general readers, without needing any prior expertise in the area? Just suggesting that this article might present the basic facts more directly in the opening. T bonham (talk) 00:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with Baden?

@Dank: What's the problem with describing Baden that you mention in this edit? Don't know if this helps, but in the period that this article is concerned with, Baden was the Margraviate of Baden, which is probably the best term to use instead of "Duke of Baden" which currently appears in the "Politics" section. I believe that "Markgraf" was more common in German than the English counterpart "Margrave", though we did have similar territories in England, which we know as Marches. Factotem (talk) 21:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the problem was that a Duke isn't a state (to my knowledge), and it's in a list of states. But the Grand Duchy didn't begin until 1806 or later. - Dank (push to talk) 21:35, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. It should be the Margraviate of Baden. Factotem (talk) 21:49, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway ... to answer what I think is the question, I have a routine of reading a bit before I start copyediting. If I'm comfortable, I get started. Usually, I guess right, but sometimes when I get into it, I find that it's happening too often that I'm thinking "I'm not sure if this is right, and if it isn't, I'm not sure how to fix it". If that happens, I stop. Hopefully, it doesn't happen too often. - Dank (push to talk) 22:16, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of "the" in name?

The English representation of the name in the article seems a little unusual. While the similar "Armée de Rhin-et-Moselle" is rendered as Army of the Rhine and Moselle, "the" is not included in this article's name or text, despite the Sambre and Meuse both being rivers as with the Rhine and Moselle.

Is this difference in the translation of the two army's names common in the literature? Doing a very uneducated survey of the first few results in Google, including "the" seems reasonably common - e.g. 1 2, plus one of this article's citations - but most citations in this article are to printed texts I can't easily check. 143.159.89.123 (talk) 14:55, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]