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@Tiptoethrutheminefield: I'm the editor who has the "weird obsession with the word Ottomans" FWIW. Anyway, as you can intuit, most of the work is based off of Fromkin as it stands (barring the unsourced IP additions which you partially removed, which are from ???), and if you want to include more viewpoints, that'd be great! Just note that the article was practically a stub before ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Armistice_of_Mudros&oldid=623725837 ) so I hope you can see that the current state of the article is a step forward.

As for linguistic nitpicking, I don't see what the problem with "Ottomans" is...? Is "Germans" a problem or should "German Empire" be used everywhere? I didn't really change things because whatever, it works either way, I just don't see what the issue is. There are far weirder parts of English, like using the capital of a country as shorthand for the country's government ("London believed that Russia was a threat to India" or the like). SnowFire (talk) 22:55, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't so much the word itself (though "Ottomans" isn't an ethnicity like Germans, it's a ruling dynasty - a bit like calling the British "Windsors" or referring to the Russians as Romanovs) - just it seemed overused, so I changed some of the instances of its use to Ottoman Empire or Ottoman authorities, etc. And it is also a bit of furniture! Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the article as it is now is much better than it was when little more than a stub. Fromkin is a recent source, and one written from a very American Iraq-invasion era; there must be plenty of sources written before that on the Mudros armistice. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A fair point, just the other common alternative - the Turks - is also a tad misleading, since the Ottoman Empire of the era was much larger than just Turkey.

Slight nitpick: The book "A Peace to End All Peace" was first published in 1989, even if the version cited in this article is the 2009 printing. I guess it's still the "era" of the Gulf War 1, but it did predate it, and I don't think the article cites any of the Afterword comments on developments in the 90s & 20-00's. SnowFire (talk) 16:30, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

However, the Iraq invasion was at least 5 years in the making. So Fromkin's book is of that era. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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According to this page, the Ottoman Empire declared war on the USA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_World_War_I#Declarations_of_war --JFCochin (talk) 09:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@JFCochin: Nice catch. That page seems totally unreferenced, and searching for "April 20 1917 ottoman" doesn't come up with a lot - History_of_the_Ottoman_Empire_during_World_War_I#1917 claims "relations were broken".

https://books.google.com/books?id=KsNvyTwz9y0C&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=april+20+1917+ottoman&source=bl&ots=OLSO5Zjw7P&sig=YRJrjP2TOjOo2s-HkqlNBtFMgM8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjLi92q-ZPYAhVKRyYKHRlzAy8Q6AEIVTAH#v=onepage&q=april%2020%201917%20ottoman&f=false says that it was "severed diplomatic relations" as well but there was no war and that also the Turks immediately apologized for it, which blunted the impact. So I think the other page should be fixed. SnowFire (talk) 16:13, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Although looking more closely, apparently that table uses yellow to mean "Severed diplomatic relations." I guess the table should be fixed to be more clear/blunt rather than just color-coding. SnowFire (talk) 16:15, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]