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Taganrog

Current version states: 'Arkhip Kuindzhi was born in January 1842 (1841?) in Mariupol (nowadays Ukraine), but spent his youth in the city of Taganrog'. This is incorrect. Kuindzhi moved to Taganrog in 1860 when he was 18, i.e. already an adult by the standards of XIX century. --Gennadiy Kornev (talk) 10:52, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Multiple vandalism from russian accounts

I mentioned specific activity of q-wert-273 user, who administrates russian wikipedia and pro-actively shot down all changes to the same article but in russian part of wiki. So, now he does the same here. I see that this user monitoring article during the day just to change the nationality of ukrainian artist. I think such actions should be seeing as part of russia hybrid war that is very active on the wikipedia too. Article about ukrainians in wiki ALWAYS under control of a lot of russian admins and bots, who rewrite everything as it was russian and belongs to them. It's sad to see that english speaking admins do not punish such users as q-wert-273 in the context of big threat and hybrid war which is directed against Ukraine right now. Ґендерний Джихад (talk) 11:16, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Kuindzhi was a Greek born in the Russian Empire. So the vandals here are only those who call him Ukrainian. -Bladeness (talk) 11:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
q-wert-273 user, who administrates russian wikipedia — What are you even talking about? Q-Wert-273 (talk) 16:45, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
What I did was reverting vandalism and adding sources. And you need to stop vilifying users based on their nationality, calling them bots and chauvinists, and implying that they take part in some organized aggression. This is against Wikipedia's policy of Civility. Q-Wert-273 (talk) 04:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Bladeness, Russian Empire wasn't homogeneous, a lot of nations and ethnicities lived there. The same as in Britain Empire etc. Someone born in Russian Empire ≠ this person is russian. Kuindzhi raised in ukrainian ethnic lands and then his ukrainian background influenced his works, a lot of them are about Ukraine and ukrainians. Ґендерний Джихад (talk) 13:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

A lot of his works are about Caucasus too. Should we call him Caucasian painter? And what does his ethnicity have to do with this? He was from the Russian Empire (short: Russia). Therefore he was a Russian painter. Alexxzz123 (talk) 19:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

As I mentioned before, all denying of his ukrainian nationality and roots (born in ukrainian ethnic lands, raised among ukrainians) and chauvinism comes from russian accounts. 

Ґендерний Джихад (talk) 23:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
You should read WP:ETHNICITY 46.191.138.245 (talk) 04:00, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

So, then what's the point to write that someone is "russian"?) Ґендерний Джихад (talk) 10:55, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

"What's the difference whose artist? It does not matter" but the Russians will still write that the artist is theirs. Sad joke: artists of different nationalities entered the Russian Academy of Arts, but when graduating everyone was called Russian artists Pierrte (talk) 20:16, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia follows what reliable sources say. You are making a change without citing a reliable source, see WP:V before making such edits. Mellk (talk) 20:27, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
@Pierrte Calling Kuindzhi a Russian is the wrong colonial narrative. Ukraine was colonized by the Russian Empire. By this logic, should we call those who were born in the former Portuguese colonies Portuguese, those who were born in the British colonies British? No, such colonialism is unacceptable. Ok andrey (talk) 12:24, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Sad joke: people of different nationalities enter another location, get educated in that location, are given the opportunity in that location, make themselves and live all their life in that location, and are called after that location afterwards.
I'm sure that the same logic that makes a Mariupoli Greek who moved to Russia and made himself there a Ukrainian, can also make Sergey Brin a Russian entrepreneur ...right? 2.92.244.137 (talk) 18:42, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2022

not a Russian painter, but Ukrainian! 89.144.218.85 (talk) 21:49, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See discussions above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:06, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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