Talk:Aristotle/Archives/2005

Typography

This article should be cleaned up to replace fancy quotes (”) with straight ones (") in accordance with WP:STYLE. Brighterorange 14:00, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

List of Works; "On Xenophanes Zeno and Gorgias"

this short (spurious) writing IS actually included in the Corpus Aristotelicum, and is published on p. 974a of Bekker's edition (right before the Metaphysics). I don't know of any specific writing on Melissus. --zuben 22:10, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• I was wondering, too, whether we could suppress "Major" in the "Major Works" heading just above the list of COMPLETE works!--zuben 22:36, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

the people need to know

Possibly the most over-rated thinker ever to grace humanity:- a morally repugnant and simplistic man, whose nonsense padded greatest hits are valuable only in their virtue as mildly absorbent bog roll. Aristotle offers to the modern thinker what Vanilla Ice offered to the discerning music lover, a man whose greatest achievement is considered to be the dragging out of 1 simple phrase (everything in moderation) over several hundred pages. Perhaps more amazing than the fact he eluded public ridicule in his own time is that scholars around theworld are still content in massaging his swollen dead ego. The man who has contributed to the below is testament :---194.75.129

Thank you, 194.75.129. You have indeed informed the people of something.--JECompton 05:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Ethics expansion, article reorganization and possible article split

I have significantly expanded the ethics section of the article (including a reference) and made some other organizational changes. Specifically, the his philosophy needed to be segmented into metaphysics, epistemology and ethics. I also added a see also section and moved the mid-article see also listings down to it.

The article is now over the recommended page limit. Maybe the three parts of his philosophy should be split out as their own articles? If anyone agrees, I'd be glad to do this. Uriah923 05:02, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Until this reorganization, the main article on Aristotelian ethics was Nicomachean Ethics. I believe that it should stay there unless someone thinks that there are significant differences or additions to Aristotle's ethics that can not be found mostly in the NicEth, but in his other works (such as Eudemian Ethics). Removal of most of the ethics section to NicEth would reduce the new length of this article considerably.

Many of your additions would be welcome over there, or could be merged over there. Other bits duplicate things which are already over there, but it always helps to have several people look and try to find the best way of explaining things.

Some parts sound really good but I'm just not sure where they come from, and could use a reference. The 'Developing Ethics' section is one of these. Anyway, I'd be glad to have your help over there. WhiteC 07:19, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Here is what I propose. Take the information I've added here and the general details from the Nicomachean Ethics page and combine them into Aristotelian ethics. Leave the specific information (the "Overview" section) on the Nico page there as a subpage of the general ethics page. I think that would make more sense going from very general (Aristotle) to one subset of his philosophy (Aristotelian ethics) to a book that teaches this subset (Nicomachean Ethics). What do you think? If you're ok with it, I'll make the changes and then we can tweak.

Btw, most of the information I added is from the reference I provided in the same edit. Uriah923 16:40, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to go for it. It really makes a lot of sense. Uriah923 00:16, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Done. Let me know what you think. Uriah923 05:16, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Looks good. You managed to get the appropriate level of detail into each article. I can't find your bit on 'Developing Ethics' in NicEth 10.7, though--did I miss some other reference?

Never mind, found it in 10.9  :-) WhiteC 16:40, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Looks good to me, too. Good job, Uriah! Without a closer look, though, I almost wish the ethics on this page could be trimmed down even more. I would like it even more if the Metaphysics section were split, or moved to that work's page--it is very informative as well, but a little long for my taste...

deleted paragraphs about Plato and Socrates

The paragraphs that were removed by two users (see link), served the purpose to compare Aristotle with Plato and Socrates and I think that they should be restored. +MATIA ☎ 10:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)