Talk:Aristeidis Kollias

Tottaly conspiracy theory

According to journalist Ilir Malindi, expert in the Albania-Greece relations Kollias was poisoned by Greece's secret services,[4] but, in 2008, history professor Arben Llalla rejected this hypothesis and asserted that it could be the Serbian secret services that may be responsible for Kollias' death. According to Llalla, this was the reaction of Serbia against the pro-Kosovo activism that Kollias displayed in the 1990s.[5]

In Greece there is nothing about this amateur historian. The things about his death is right wing theories.

Arben Llalla is just a right wing journalist. He is not a professor of history. Please read albanian wikedia about him. Stop the conspiracy theories in wp. https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arben_Llalla Just translate the cv of him. Arben lalla has also use fake news and hoaxes http://ellinikahoaxes.gr/2018/10/28/katsifas-fake-news/

The other Ilir Malindi is just a newspaper journalist(?) or something like that.

--Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 06:54, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

i suggest to delete the hoaxes about his death

Cause we have 2018. And cause Tesla weapons from greek and serbian secret police that cause cancer didnt exist :). There are ridiculus theories from conspiracy extremists.

Kollias is a totally unkown person in greece. Not a single article exists about him. He was an amateur historian who had totally zero scientific backround. I dont care about the history of 1000 before christ and for these things that are important for nationalists. But for god sake we are not flatearth.com lets delete the hoaxes from wp. --Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 15:30, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

He was a folklorist. These people are typically amateurs. Dimadick (talk) 11:48, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure about this. In Greece and other places there are Universities about this subject. Here is the founder of Greek folklor studies. He died in 1921(!). He had phd thesis and was professor in University of Athens. He had citations. Aristeidis Kollias was nothing like him. He was nothing like a scientist. He was something like a common right wing persona and i cant find anything that exists about him in scientific papers in any language except from the writigns of Albanian "professor of history" like Arben Llalla who says that he was killed propably from "tesla" weapons when he just had cancer of blood (soooo ridiculous things). Because he was a "scientistic" persona that is very usual in Greece like Konstantinos Plevris but with Albanian perspective. They say the same things, they "read" from ancient Greek and "explain" the new Greek or Albanian language, with out anyone scientist care about them, except of Greek or Albanian nationalists that now can prove that they "are" from the "blood" of ancients Greeks, or Greeks are Albanians or whatever you like. Just a right wing persona with out anything more. He was just a simple laywer, nothing more.

In Balkans, you see the matter of "true blood" is still, very important. Kollias is the "proof" from Greece that, all the Greeks are Albanians, and ancient Greek is Albanian language or something like that and so Albanians love him. If a Turk say the same thing about Turks, Greeks will love him. Ok, we understand how nationalism goes for centuries. But where is the importance of this persona? What is his scientific importance except three books in his publish house and his opinions that are coffee opinions from a guy who can publish with his money some books, and noone cares? Why is in English wikipedia?

Here is a right wing antijewish magazine that A. Kollias used to write [pages 14383] http://www.stipsi.gr/hellas/davlos/2000/226.pdf You can read in the first page that Ancient Greeks inveted

Concrete (!!!!!) and we also must not worship Jewish gods like Christ etc.

Kollias in his "important" article he says that the letter 'D' ('Δ') cannot be for sure be from a Semetic language.

It is always a common place that can unite every nationalists of every country, to not have anything common with Semetic origin ;).

If you have time, please check everything that i say. If you dont have, no promblem. One more article about tesla weapons, and for a "scientist" who knew the "truth" but the Death came "from" secret services. In Greece there is also a popular opinion that Christodoulos of Athens was killed from tesla weapons, also! But he died from cancer. Here is Balkans, you can say whatever you want i imagine. --Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 13:45, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

He may not be known to young Greeks of today but in the 1980s the litreture that Kolias produced was widely circulated and made a big impact in integrating Arvanites into Greek society via reviving the Pelasgian theory and establishing them in the meta-narrative of Greek history predating the 1821 revolution. De Rapper clearly outlines this. When Arvanties of today go on about the Pelasgian theory, Kolias is the source of all of it. His works are also responsible for reviving the Pelasgian theory in Albania as well. Though he was indeed an amateur his legacy is a real one that has crossed borders and still impacts self articulations of two Balkan Albanian speaking communities today.Resnjari (talk) 15:32, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Self published persona

The puplic house "Thamyris" (Θαμυρίς) that he published his "folklore" "things" was of his wife. He was a just a self published persona. And he has a great presentaion of his "coffee opinions" in Eng. Wikipedia. --Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 14:36, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

The proof http://www.ekebi.gr/frontoffice/portal.asp?cpage=NODE&cnode=303&t=302 .Όνομα Εκδοτικού Οίκου : ΕΚΔΟΣΕΙΣ ΘΑΜΥΡΙΣ

Ονοματεπώνυμο Εκδότη: ΚΟΛΛΙΑ ΠΟΛΥΞΕΝΗ --Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 14:39, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Read the legacy section of the article. Its sourced to De Rapper and outlined Kolias' legacy.Resnjari (talk) 15:33, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

just one paragraph in one article of one researcher. Nothing more. Should we write a wikipedia article for anyone mention in any scientific article? --Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 17:32, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

As much some Albanians might not be fans of Kolias he is a big thing in the Albanian world and so are his works (i.e:[1]). Some are of a folkloric nature (collections of Arvanite songs or language/words -these are not the issue nor what gave him his 'fame') others are the Pelasgian theory (what made him popular). He has been recognised by both Albanian and Kosovar presidents for his efforts and decorated with awards. His works on Arvanite migrations seem to still be discussed with academic circles (see Millaku who also gives a bit of a biography on Kolias: [2]) The life of Kolias is what it is.Resnjari (talk) 18:04, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok about this. I accept it. What about the hoax theories about his death from minor journalists?--Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 18:25, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

We can deal with that. I only skimmed through that Millaku article. Highlight issues and i'll get to this article sometime in the week. Did to many edits today to deal with these kinds of controversial parts of an article. Best.Resnjari (talk) 18:39, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Αντικαθεστωτικός Consult the sources of the article and those linked here by Resnjari and do not make edits like those you made on this article. Do not use "tesla weapons" as an edit summary. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:10, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

i suggest to delete

This section:

'According to journalist Ilir Malindi, expert[citation needed] in the Albania-Greece relations Kollias was poisoned by Greece's secret services,[4] but, in 2008, history professor[citation needed] Arben Llalla rejected this hypothesis and asserted that it could be the Serbian secret services that may be responsible for Kollias' death. According to Llalla, this was the reaction of Serbia against the pro-Kosovo activism that Kollias displayed in the 1990s.[5]'

Cause:

1. It is a conspiracy theory from minor journalists with no importance.

2. One journalist has also spread another hoax.(see the other paragraph) and we provide him publicity.

3. Leukemia is well known disease, and not a secret weapon as conspiracy theorists suggest.

--Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 19:04, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Anyone with access in this science paper?

https://brill.com/view/book/edcoll/9789004382022/BP000019.xml

It is about Albanian conspiracy theories and also A.Kollias is mentioned.

'familiarity with esotericism and theosophy, which might have triggered their interest in the Albanian ‘enigma’ in the first place. The growing corpus of Pelasgic texts is highly intertextual, and the works by Robert d’Angely (1998) and Matieu Aref ( 2007 , 2008 ) in France, and Aristheidis Kollias'

--Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 09:05, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Its an edited book and the chapters are written by different academics like the one you cite by Endresen. It just got published a few weeks ago [3] so access by libraries will take a while.Resnjari (talk) 09:35, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I will wait as long as it takes, to classify Kollias as it was : Pseudo-scientist . --Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 12:19, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if the source says that though. Your snippet just cites what De Rapper cited almost a decade ago about him writing books on Pelasgians.Resnjari (talk) 14:16, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Αντικαθεστωτικός, well i cleaned up the article. Hope it was what you had in mind as well.Resnjari (talk) 19:22, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Kollias biography

Hello guys

Please use some Greek links to push his biography. Why there is no Greek, French and English informations about his life in Wikipedia? Delete the add's of Albanian authors, it is well known that Albanians don't show his true attitude! World wide wep is full of Albanians who are portraiting Kollias as an Albanian/Shqiptare. This is a joke, that man was a Greek-Arvanite with big Greek ideals. Please correct that and why there are no quotes or his books/studies in his Biography? 194.230.147.131 (talk) 17:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)