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Notability

Existence of an entry for non-General Authorities in the LDS Biographical Encyclopedia does not establish notability; when collecting material for volumes 2-4 a fee was required for each submission of a biographical sketch, and no non-GAs were published without payment of that fee, making this in essence a vanity publication (see http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/u?/MTNZ,7105 for more details). Andrew Jenson's own idea of notability appear to mimic what we normally do here at WP: GAs are notable but local leaders are not (at least not based on their LDS Church leadership position). Notability has not been established on this article. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 23:22, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not based exclusively on LDS Church leadership. Read article and other docs available via external link.

Stratavarious1 (talk) 23:36, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, lets go over these one at a time:

Jenson, Andrew. "Arias Guy Belnap." LDS Biographical Encyclopedia, vol. IV (1936), pp. 558-59

Disqualified as a source for establishing notability by being essentially a vanity press

Belnap, Arias G. "The Influenza 1918 In San Francisco" (1972) at belnapfamily.org

Disqualified as a source for establishing notability by being a hand typed personal reminiscence, which is self-published at belnapfamily.org

"Ogden 20th Ward", Encyclopedic History of the Church, 1941, pp. 613, "The Ogden 20th Ward was organized March 20, 1927, from parts of the Ogden 4th and 13th wards wth [sic] Arias Guy Belnap as Bishop. He still acted Dec. 31, 1930."

Disqualified as a source for establishing notability as this only establishes he was an LDS bishop

http://www.belnapfamily.org/ariasguybelnap.htm (in ext links section)

Disqualified as a source for establishing notability by being self-published at belnapfamily.org

None of these help the article meet wp:Notability by being reliable third-party sources. I'm not saying that those sources don't exist, they're just not there. The notability tag is correct for the article as it currently exists, because more work needs to be done.

I'm sure this relative of yours was a great guy, and helped out his local community a great deal, but that's not enough for a WP article. wp:V: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." Please help firmly establish his notability by citing those sources. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 00:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]