Talk:Ari Meyers/ Archive 1

Puerto Rican

I don't believe all of the Puerto Rico links and references should be on her page, especially the ones referring to her as a "Famous Puerto Rican" or "Puerto Rican Actress". It seems her only connection the Puerto Rico is that's where her parents were tourists when she was born. Except for the reference to her being born there, I think the Groups references should be removed, but I'd like more opinions for editing the page. —The preceding comment is by Saintdmitri (talk • contribs) Saintdmitri: Please sign your posts!

It is wrong to assume that the term "Puerto Rican" is an "ethnicity". Puerto Rican is a nationality. On October 25, 2006, the Puerto Rican State Department declared the exsistence of the Puerto Rican nationality (see: Juan Mari Bras). What is true is that Ari is Puerto Rican, but not Hispanic. People should start worrying less about "race" and "ethnicity" and just concentrate on "facts".

The article clearly states " Meyers was born in San Juan, Puerto Rico to American parents " It doesn't get anymore clearer than that. It is made clear throughout the article that he is not "Hispanic" for crying out loud. Tony the Marine 16:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

and it is also wrong to assume that just because you are labeled "Puerto Rican" that you should have an ethnicity attached. It is a misconception to assume that all Puerto Ricans are of Spanish background. The United States is not the only "melting pot" in the world. Puerto Rico is also a melting pot and not all Puerto Ricans are of "Hispanic" descent. There are many Puerto Ricans of African, Corsican, French, Irish, German, Chinese, Dutch and Lebanonse descent among others.

I don't know what your problem with the word "Puerto Rican" is but, that is what she is by birth Tony the Marine 02:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing, Saintdmitri the "See also" link and "category" link are within Wiki policy and their deletion will be deemed as vandlism and racist since you have only singled out those with the term "Puerto Rican". Tony the Marine 02:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think Tony already covered it nicely, I will link this Essay, in case it can come in handy, cheers! -凶 02:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's sort of a gray area as Puerto Rico isn't a country, but an American territory. Puerto Ricans are American citizens, so regardless, she is an American. Had she been born to American parents in a foreign country and that country recognized her as a citizen, that would be a different story. Suppose she'd been born in Kansas, but grew up her entire life in Montana. Would we list her as a Kansas actress? Maybe we would, I really don't know what the protocol is. -24.149.196.112 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 05:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Puerto Rico may be an American territory, but unlike "Montana", Puerto Rico is a Nation with its own language, customs, traditions and citizenship that was invaded by the United States. Read what was already posted above. Tony the Marine (talk) 05:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did, and in that light, I highly doubt Ari Meyers can be considered Puerto Rican. By the way, Puerto Rico was previously a Spanish territory before being annexed by the US in 1898. Puerto Ricans are American citizens, and have been since 1917. There is the 2006 decision to recognize Puerto Rican citizenship, yet it is not retroactive. Ari Meyers would not be considered a Puerto Rican citizen, and even if she could be, she isn't really part of the Puerto Rican "culture." -24.149.196.112 (talk)

Also, you're correct that Puerto Rico is a melting pot. But you said: "Puerto Rico is also a melting pot and not all Puerto Ricans are of "Hispanic" descent. There are many Puerto Ricans of African, Corsican, French, Irish, German, Chinese, Dutch and Lebanonse descent among others." They would all be considered Hispanic in the US, because Hispanic is not a racial term, rather a designation for people hailing from Spanish speaking countries/territories regardless of their ethnicity. I don't think Ari Meyers would qualify having been born to non-Hispanic parents and not actually self-identifying as Puerto Rican. Had she grown up there and considered herself Puerto Rican, it would be a different story. -24.149.196.112 (talk)

I know that Puerto Rico was a Spanish colony, I know my history, that I can assure you. Let me remind you that after the Treaty of Paris of 1898, Puerto Ricans stopped being subjects of the Spanish Crown and Puerto Rican citizenship was recognized. American citizenship was imposed (Because Puerto Ricans had no say in the matter) upon the people of Puerto Rico in 1917 with the approval of the Jones-Act, without the requirement that they renounce their Puerto Rican citizenship. People born in Puerto Rico automatically have dual nationality: Puerto Rican and American. Puerto Rico follows the Jus soli law (the right of the soil or the land) meaning that one’s nationality is determined by the place of one's birth. Therefore, Meyers is Puerto Rican and American due to the fact that she was born in San Juan, Puerto Rico. If, Meyers, publicly states that she is not Puerto Rican then we'll let it be. Tony the Marine (talk) 06:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't care if you want to call her Puerto Rican. I'm not going to alter the page. Yet, I think you're trying to push your own agenda, because until 2006 it was unclear what Puerto Rican citizenship meant legally speaking. On the page Politics of Puerto Rico it states that Puerto Rican ""citizenship" in opinion of both the local Secretary of Justice and the Puerto Rico's Department of State, is like the citizenship of any state of the Union, meaning that it is only used domestically, not internationally." It is possible that this statement is incorrect, if so it should be addressed. Out of curiosity, do you consider yourself a Puerto Rican citizen? You weren't actually born there. -208.115.233.231 (talk) 08:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tell you what, I'll answer your question in my "talk page" and that way we won't take up more space here. Tony the Marine (talk) 16:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think That Ari Meyers should be linked to the list of famous Puerto Ricans. She was born there but its my understanding she has not lived there for one day of her life. If she was born in Texas,but never lived there and resided in Florida,would she be listed as a famous Texan or a famous Floridian? My guess would be a famous Floridian.

This subject has already been discussed and there is no point in discussing it anymore. If you were born in Texas, then you could be listed as a famous person from Texas even if you have lived your whole life in the moon, however if you were raised in the moon, you can also be listed as a famous person from there. No big deal. Tony the Marine (talk) 17:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, But I wasn't around for the original discussion so I could not add my input,thats why I'm adding it now.Who are you to decide when a discussion is over? --70.149.148.56 (talk) 17:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do not take this personal. The fact is that if you would have read the discussion in the first place you would have realized that the subject has already been discussed and that there is no need to keep dragging it on. Who am I? I'm the guy who wrote her bio in the first place and who is answering your question (above) and everybody elses question, that's who I am. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exclamation point?

"When she was 4 years old, she wrote a play called "The Super Majic Show" for her nursery school for which she also wrote the script and songs and even directed the "actors"!"

Not only the exclamation point, but the "even" are devices which are not proper for an encyclopedic entry. It is ... well, boosterism. Jrshooter (talk) 19:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is my first time here on Wikipedia so if I screw something up I'm sorry. Anyway when I read the article I noticed that this statement ""When she was 4 years old, she wrote a play called "The Super Majic Show" for her nursery school for which she also wrote the script and songs and even directed the "actors"!" This sounds horrible,especially the use of the word "even" and the use of the exclamation point. I would take the statement out but I don't know how,since I am a Wikipedia virgin. I agree with the other person that it does sound like boosterism,or that a fan wrote the statement.I guess it doesn't sound neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.149.148.56 (talk) 17:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]