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The main body of the plant also contains small amounts of strychnine[citation needed], a potent toxin, but its presence is negligible in the seeds."

I've done an exaustive search on this plant for 15 years, and have over 100 journal articles on morning glory species alone. I have never seen any journal article claiming to have isolated strychnine from this plant. A google search does not produce any citation of this either. If the author does not cite his source in a week, I will change it.

This article is pathetic. If it isn't completely rewritten, it should be labeled as a shit article to warn people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.191.144 (talk) 07:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC) _________________________________________________________________________ Justification for the removal of the following addition by user 151.213.164.64.

Some in the culture believe that the U.S. Government has a hand
in the nauseous property of skin, although this is highly
disregarded as a rumor for lack of evidence.

I think there is no basis for that statement, as firstly, I have never heard such a rumour, even though I spend a lot of time reading Erowid and alt.drugs, and secondly, it is scientifically implausible for the US gorvernment to have added the nauseous property, since:

• The same chamicals responsible for the nausea are present in the seeds of most fruit.
• It is unclear whether such a genetic alteration is at all possible, and if it were, it would only be possible in the recent years, while the seeds have been nausesous in the 60s too.
• It is absulutely implausible for all the strains of morning glories, which include H.B.Woodrose and other species containing LSA and having nauseus effect upon consumption, throuhgout the ENTIRE globe to be changed.
• Also, the US government has better things to do than that (the effects of H.B.Woodrose seeds are neither particularly enjoyable nor often sought after)

Thus, it's hard to believe that any intelligent person would believe in such a rumour, and their opinion worth mentioning.

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"The seeds of the plant are sometimes used as a legal hallucinogen."

Using the seeds as a halucinogen is not legal- at least not in the US. Although the seeds are legal to possess for gardening, the drug they contain, lysergic acid amide, is a schedule 3 controlled substance

Addiction risk? Side effects?

Well, first of all I think the majority of people searching "Hawaiian Baby Woodrose" are going to be curious teens looking to try this stuff.(>(>(your right but so what? we need to experiment with shit nowadays)<)<) We should provide more non-judgmental information about its effects. It contains LSA, so is it potentially addictive? HBW is also known to cause severe nausea. What are more ways to prevent/cure that?

Wild Mountain Thyme 05:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

LSA isn't addictive at all. A way to prevent the nausea is to ground op the seeds and put it in a non-polar solvent like naptha, the will solve one of the chemicals blamed for giving nausau out of the seed pulp. The seeds must then be filtered out of the solvent letting the solvent evepurate. I am not a scientist and therefore I wont put potetialy lethal information on wiki. Maybe some-one with a better background can put something of this method here. 84.251.138.33 20:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

This article, especially in the "Chemistry" section, is reading dangerously similar to a "How to get fucked up on LSA" tutorial. ...Wiki does not equal Erowid, lets not forget that. 71.74.13.4 11:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

This reads way too much like a "how to" guide. Too much of the article is unencyclopedic. 203.16.41.5 06:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Some H.B.Woodrose seeds may not even be hallucinogenic or contain enough LSA to have an effect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.18.198.51 (talk) 22:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

There is next to no referencing of anything on this page, regardless of the accuracy of the material. In addition, it states that the cyanide produced endogenously from the cyanoglycosides is the main cause of nausea, which I'm certian has mroe to do with essential oil content. Halogenated 13:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

No, not a very good article yet, but needs to be here. I've added a 'citations missing' textbox --Anonymaus (talk) 17:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The paragraph describing the effects is too mild. I ingested 8 seeds once and the visual illusions were incredible, strong auditory hallucinations, much reduced motor control, etc. In laymen's terms: "it was a strong trip". This type of experience seems to have been shared according to online testominials and I know personally from 2 friends that this was also the case. Anyway, for someone looking for information on the experience I feel that the current paragraph is misleading (as well as missing references). Obviously there are a range of reactions to the substance but I am not sure how you would source that to get a coherent description of the effects. Maybe someone more versed in Pharmocology or Ethnogenics could look at this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.159.50 (talk) 17:02, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a how-to page

I deleted the cultivation and usage sections, because they weren't sourced and they did not belong here. 72.231.222.145 (talk) 03:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Soon to be delegalized in Poland

This substance is on the list of 18(?) Substances soon to be delegalized (criminalized) in Poland:

Argyreia nervosa - Hawaiian Baby Woodrose, Banisteriopsis caapi - Ayhuasca, Calea zacatechichi - Dream Herb, Catha edulis - Khat, Echinopsis pachanoi - San Pedro (cactus), Piper methysticum - Kava Kava, Leonotis leonurus - Wild Dagga, Mimosa tenuiflora - Jurema, Mitragyna speciosa - Kratom, Nymphaea caerulea, Peganum harmala, Psychotria viridis, Rivea corymbosa, Salvia divinorum, Tabernanthe iboga - Iboga, Trichocereus peruvianus, Benzylpiperazine - BZP, JWH-018 - Spice

the bill (author of the bill: Grzegorz Sztolcman?) was accepted by Polish Sejm (for - 404, against - 5, and 2 abstent)[1] [2], Polish Senat [3] and the President of Poland [4].

Ttg53 (talk) 14:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Removed Human Consumption text

I removed this text below because it reads like someone's original research and a how-to guide. It is absolutely poor, and it's probably a better idea to start fresh. C6541 (T↔C) 15:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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The seeds of the plant can be consumed to produce psychedelic effects. As seeds are often sold with a purposeful warning against their consumption, guarantees as to their mind altering effect are not often given by suppliers. It is possible to mix genuine Argyreia nervosa var. nervosa seeds with those from inactive plants such as the related Argyreia nervosa var speciosa and so convince users that they lack these effects, but most seeds on the market, especially from Hawaii and Australia, are the genuine variety.

Volumes of seeds consumed often begin at just a few, 5 to 6 being recommended, but experienced users have taken upwards of ten to twenty-five.

The taste of the seeds is not repulsive, being earthy and nutty in taste, but neither is it palatable to many.

Consumption of the seed is often but not always accompanied by the onset of stomach discomfort within an hour or two. This may remain as a mild side effect when only a few seeds are consumed, but can progress to intense and prolonged nausea that may, in some instances, last for a significant percentage of the experience and induce vomiting. After vomiting has occurred, the sensation of sickness will often rapidly subside.

The sensations of dryness and light sensitivity may occur particularly at higher doses as the experience progresses. The individual’s mouth and skin may feel excessively dry, with the former holding a distinctive, soapy taste from the seeds if they were chewed. However in most cases these are not felt.

A curious effect of the seeds is an urge to stretch and extend limbs and muscles in the arms and legs, similarly to LSD; this may be present as slow and controlled writhing, stretching or muscle rubbing whilst laying or sitting down. This sensation has been likened to itching or tingling in the muscles and can make it physically impossible to sleep. A curious sensation of the ability to see within and beneath the layer of skin to the internal tissues of ones own, or anothers body may also be experienced.

A similar contractile effect may be noticed in the abdominal muscles.

It is interesting to note that muscle cramping and abdominal contraction are both symptoms of cyanide and ergot pharmacology, and is due to altering acetylcholine (ACh) function, particularly at the neuromuscular junction (NMJ) .

It is worthy of mention that serotonergic, dopaminergic and adrenergic drugs can produce vasoconstriction. It is very likely that the sensation of tightness in the limbs can be attributed to this. Also worth noting is the fact that the stomach and intestines have dopamine and serotonin receptors that are very likely activated by these drugs, producing this nausea effect.

Numerous suggestions have been made as to the contents of the seeds and how they produce their effects, with it being the present belief that they contain a potential precursor to LSD, ergine, among a series of other ergolines. Some reports suggest they contain cyanogenic glycosides in minute traces. There are also suggestions that the seeds only contain one of these two (either no LSA or no cyanide) and there are numerous methods proposed to ease their consumption, including shelling the seeds, soaking them in wine or soaking them in lemon juice. Other reports hold that merely chewing and swallowing seeds is sufficient and that no undue adverse effects are to be expected. The first assumption of toxicity relies on the principle that the cyanide/cyanogenic compounds are present only in the shell its self, and they may in fact be present in such minute quantity as to cause ill effect (see rosaceae). There is not enough information on the composition of the seeds to support these methods and their consumption is not widespread enough for many to have tried such preparations; with many having problems getting the seeds to produce any effect.

Oddly, the seeds are not continuous in their nausea inducing effect, and doses that would otherwise cause extreme nausea in an individual may be entirely lacking in this effect when a second, but still psychoactive, collection of seeds is consumed. Smoking cannabis or taking ginger will generally counter-act the nausea.

Provided genuine Argyreia nervosa var nervosa seeds are consumed, what may be classed as light open eye visuals may be produced at quantities ranging from five to ten seeds. These may include colour, contrast and brightness distortions that may or may not be as vivid as those produced by what would be considered a light to regular dosing quantity of Psilocybe mushrooms. The variety as well as freshness, amount and mode of ingestion all have major impacts of effectiveness. Those with experience of this may recognise that reflecting objects appear to sparkle. The experience may be closer likened to that produced by mescaline, in its organic texture, calmness, yet potentiality for deep, sometimes disturbing, internal insight.

Sensory effects do not appear to increase in a linear fashion as more seeds are consumed, with twenty five producing very little more positive effect than fifteen. The effects of consumption have a significant duration, lasting four to six, rarely twelve hours and may include tingling in hands and feet. Some users are particularly more sensitive than others and effects can potentially last up to fourteen hours, but reports of this are not as common.

The seeds may induce labour, or cause miscarriage, in pregnant women^[5]

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LSA's are *not* addictive, as a previous contributor has stated, and..

I live in Adelaide, Australia, and can happily confirm the effects of the seeds.

You'll find however, that rather than the full-blown 'classic' LSD trip, Nervosa seeds give effects much closer resembling an acid-trip.

Why do we have to draw more and MORE attention to a plant that's relatively unknown to the majority of people? .. The more you talk, the more people try it, the more idiots have themselves silly accidents, and VOILA!.. ..one more plant gets out-lawed.

Salvia Divinorum(sp?) was scheduled here in Australia some 10 years ago; primarily because people were mis-using it.

I can only hope our var. Nervosas don't go the same way :(

Virgomale (talk) 11:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

This is not a forum. The content of wikipedia is based on references made to notable sources. Contributors here have little control over the content besides word choice and the analysis of data. Also, you are a hypocrite for talking about it. =) --Notmyhandle (talk) 21:12, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

= Very Irresponsible =

Considering wikipedia is used as a source of knowledge by many and that the fact this substance is being taken orally by people, I feel wikipedia has a responsibility to at least mention the dangerous cyanide containing seed coating found on most seeds.

Even if it doesn't say how to remove the seed coating, I think wikipedia could possibly save a life or at least save many an hour of stomach cramps by mentioning the dangerousness of congesting hawaiian baby woodrose seeds with seedcoatings (maybe get a source that specifies cyanide is on the seed coatings, I don't have time)

please review the following and add it if you think its relevant, please do use it or derivatives as you see fit. i don't edit wikipedia, I have a world to change.

HUMAN INGESTION Reports of human ingestion are common online and in america (source http://www.erowid.org/plants/hbw/hbw_timeline.php#ref_2 ) , with commercial preperations of hawaiian baby woodrose sold as legal hallucinogens available throughout europe. ( source http://www.thezenshop.co.uk/products/Legal-highs-and-Smoking/Hallucinogenic/Blottercaps.html , "Blottercaps are based on Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, Blotter Caps offer the perfect psychedelic experience." and many blottercap like products exist)

Ingestion of the unprepared seeds is dangerous as the coating contains cyanide ( SOURCE NEEDED ).

I have saved this in my notes. If you don't use it, please explain why. Regards - Thalex NPO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.104.241.208 (talk) 02:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Funny how you state things as fact and then in the same sentence state you need a citation. I am not saying you're wrong, merely that I find it humorous. C6541 (T↔C) 11:33, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Reference #3 (unreliable source?)

I belive erowid is a reliable source. It's used as a reference on a variety of things here on Wikipedia so why not this one? — ク Eloc 貢 01:54, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

29 February 2012, "Argyrea nervosa var. speciosa, a species used in ayurvedic medicine, but with little to no psychoactive value"

Admin at www.shaman-australis.com says "speciosa has the same activity at time of harvest, but declines a LOT faster than nervosa. Like, after 2 or 3 months you might as well just plant them"

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2607