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Separate AP2 article?

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I have currently set up AP2 to redirect to Argyle Park. However, if we start getting a lot of information on this page, should the articles be split? (You can undo a redirect by clicking on the link to the page it was redirected from, when you're on the page of the redirect's destination.) --Idont Havaname (Talk) 00:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think if enough info was gathered it could be possible, I have yet to listen to AP2, so I do not know enough about the album to contribute to it. I would personally like to see an article on Level, who is Klay's younger brother, and has put out several releases on his own. Avador 05:20, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AP2 and Argyle Park

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Most people who know anything about Argly Park and AP2 do not consider them to be the same band. Not metioned in the article is that Klayton was the driving force behind Argyle Park but only contributed 2 tracks to AP2.

Would U2 be U2 without Bono?

  • Regarding the above two sections/the whole debate about Argyle Park and AP2 as separate entities - AP2 was, in essence, a continuation of Argyle Park; it was listed as "Argyle Park" when first appearing on Tooth & Nail's roster, and was referred to as a "reopening" of Argyle Park in interviews at the time (see the Level interview from Ballistic Test 'Zine referenced at the bottom of the band article). Both records were written from the same vantage point and with the same themes, and no AP3 record would ever be written unless the primary members felt they had enough new material that fit within those themes to warrant a new band and record. AP2 themselves stated this in an interview in Automata magazine from Flaming Fish Music (which I need to dig out and quote). AP2 pretty much was Argyle Park, and I think the 2 was added to denote that it was a sequel of sorts, as though this operated a bit like a film franchise. Besides those facts, if Argyle Park and AP2 are split up into separate articles, neither would, I believe, meet the notability guidelines for Wikipedia. –BrentonRyan 22:40, 7 April 2009

Christian music moniker

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To call Argyle Park a Christian band is somewhat of a stretch. Argyle Park was signed to REX music that distributed to both the secular and Christian market.

At the time Argyle Park was panned heavily in the Christian music press as being too dark and focused on despair. It would be more true to say that Argyle Park was distributed on a semi-Christian label.

Argyle Park was another sympton of Klayton's unwilliness to clearly define what category his music should fit in.

- So Tourniquet being distributed in mainstream markets would stop them from being christian? I don't like public labels, because they really are meaningless. But the truth is REX published only bands in the christian vein. Plus they played Cornerstone, if that does go for anything.

Christian?

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The themes of Misguided seemed to be of anger and dissappointment in the church. I would hardly call it a christian album. 68.63.248.123 05:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Ever heard of Eight Ball Cholos?

  • There are two things at play here. First, marketing, and second, what constitutes "Christian". The marketing has to do with where the album was advertised and sold, and where it found success. Misguided was marketed to the underground Christian alternative scene; it was sold in Christian music stores and Christian music catalogs. If it found some success outside the Christian music "ghetto" as it's been called, like Circle of Dust seems to have, I've never seen any information citing as much, despite the fact that the album featured members of Prong and Foetus. As far as what constitutes Christian music, that's a gigantic debate that's been raging for a decade or two and, regrettably, will still be raging two decades from now, I'm sure. That is to say that it's far too massive a topic to be argued here for the benefit of one small-time band, and, being a topic of rather subjective nature, I'm not sure we should use the thematic content of the album as a measure in any case. But, since I'm sure it'll come up again, here's my argument. Some people, like the user above this post, think that to be "Christian" an album must present a positive religious atmosphere, or be evangelistic, while others take a more holistic approach and say that any range of emotions we as humans feel can be put to record, that all of those emotions are real and honest, and that being a Christian artist can involve stating and exploring all of those emotions, including "anger and disappointment in the church" or even in God - i.e. being honest about all aspects of our human nature, positive or not. I couldn't begin to list the numerous and solidly-Christian artists who take this approach. If it must be hashed out, I think the best route would be to list Argyle Park/AP2 as Christian rock/Christian industrial, and make note in the biography of the band that they have been controversial within that general label. –BrentonRyan 22:40, 7 April 2009

Chris Martello

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Is there a reference that suggests that the producer that J. G. Thirlwell is referring to is Chris Martello?--72.70.238.199 (talk) 03:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, the above post was me, I forgot I was not signed in--3family6 03:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3family6 (talk • contribs)

Found this really, really awesome treasure that says Buka is Chris Martello!: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=68507632221 --¿3family6 contribs 02:42, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The Butterfly Effect

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Rewatched The Butterfly Effect recently, and it clearly has "Heroin Hate" and "The End" credited in the end titles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.162.236.43 (talk) 12:36, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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