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So to avoid fruitless discussion I have eliminated the opening sentence that claims arepas to be from the Northeast of Colombia. There's no proof of this and most other wiki pages claim other parts of Northern South America to be the origin, particularly the Timoto-Cuicas in the Venezuelan Andes. Apart from that, the Arepa experience is very different from country to country, the only thing shared is the name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuyvesant 1976 (talk • contribs) 13:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

And yet the name comes from the language of the Cumanagoto Indians, Indians that lived in the Cumana area at eastern Venezuela, is like football which name is in English, thus its origen must be some place where English is the language. If the Tace has that nema is obviously from a Spanish Country, not from USA or anywhere else in the world, thus the origen of the word must tell you about the origen of the dish. 2603:300A:1E8A:4900:E968:FCE8:948:60C6 (talk) 18:23, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

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What's the source for the "most popular arepa" company? What's the "argument" re: Venezuela and Colombia claiming as a "typical" food? --68.37.196.220 20:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The arepa is the typical dish of Colombia, i know several people from venezuela and none of them has claimed that arepa is from there. It comes from the Eje Cafetero, a region in Cololmbia with the departaments that produce coffee because the work day there begins around 4 - 5 am so arepa and agua panela is a pretty quick breakfast.--ometzit 20:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm Colombian and I know Venezuelans, that claim that the Arepas are from Venezuela. I consider for example, that what they call "cachapas" are pretty similar to the colombian "Arepa de Chocolo", does any one knows what could be the difference?

If you ever go to Katy, Texas you need to go to an Arepera called Los Camos The owner's name is Yolanda Almeida. their arepas are the best i have ever tried i go their every week. Every penny is worth it. And dont get me started with thier cachapas. Oh and the difference betwwen Arepa de Chocolo and Cachapas is that cachapas have queso de mano inside of it.--venezolana**

Can somebody take a picture for this page? It can really make an article. I would but I'm not in arepa country. Hawkian 22:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

i eat arepa almost every weekend so ill see if i can upload a pic of a arepa, and also a traditional colombian breakfast. im more concern in uploading a picture of a tamal.--ometzit 20:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd love to see the aboriginous origins of arepas described here. I've seen references in the past. Like in many other cases, current knowledge ignores this and many other valuable contributions made by those cultures.

Hey its me again i'll try to get a picture of the arepas from that restaurant okay hasta luego.--venezolana**

I gotta say, I really dislike calling an arepa de huevo "arepa'e huevo in the vernacular". It's just a costeño accent. It's like calling clam chowder "chowdah in the local Boston vernacular." But I'm not going to keep changing it back.Danfeder (talk) 08:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

So to avoid fruitless discussion I have eliminated that opening sentence that claims arepas to be from the Northeast of Colombia. There's no proof of this and most other wiki pages claim other parts of Northern South America to be the origin, particularly the Timoto-Cuicas in the Venezuelan Andes. Apart from that, the Arepa experience is very different from country to country, the only thing shared is the name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuyvesant 1976 (talk • contribs) 13:48, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

"widely consumed a form of the arepa known as casabe made from cassava (yuca)." Casabe is very different from the arepa, it doesn't even resemble the shape because Casabe is flat and really big, it is even closer to pita bread rather than arepa. Can we change this claim please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.179.35.129 (talk) 14:34, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Neither Colombia nor Venezuela existed when arepas were first eaten...

Arepa is an aboriginal dish of the northern Andes, in South America. The word is recorded by conquistadors as ancient Muisca(1) which was the language of the Chibchas, the indigenous inhabitants of the eastern fork of the Andean cordillera, which now spans both Colombia and Venezuela. Trade and warfare are natural spreaders of foodstuff, and so, we now find Arepas everywhere from the Andes (as far south as Ecuador) to the Caribbean coast of South America (where they are eaten deep-fried).

The Venezuela Vs. Colombian "controversy" is misguided, as is the parochial identification as a dish from either of the two modern countries.

(1)Quote not available, but fact of aboriginal origin is obvious enough.

Raravis 18:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Still the 'controversy' is not completely misguided because the discussion is on the current form of the meal. Moreover it's not eaten only in the nothern Andes region. Arepas are eaten all over Venezuela with several variations on the way it is prepared/eaten. For example. in the Andes region Arepas are traditionally made with wheat flour while in the more warmer regions they are made out of corn flour. In the most eastern regions of Venezuela Arepas are fried while in the coastal/plains/andes regions it is cooked with an oven —Preceding unsigned comment added by CamonZ (talk • contribs) 15:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Colombians eat them, but almost all Venezuelan eats them at least five times a week. So, it is Venezuelan, at least in a practical level. -hlp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.58.17.233 (talk) 15:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

They eat then because first they don’t make real empanadas they make them from a precooked corn flour which this in Colombia is not authentic, also is cheap and Venezuelans are known for having a bad economy, also arepas has stated in Colombia as an authentic meal, but in Venezuela is eaten as a fast food mean with different fillings in which the arepa is now not the center but are their fillings 2600:6C5E:1BF0:71D0:F5A9:600E:1BC7:B74C (talk) 23:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

This previous argument is ridiculous. Arepas are sold on every street corner of most Colombian cities, and not as "Venezuelan food." Most Colombian varieties of arepas do not exist in Venezuela. It is clearly "local" food in both countries. Arguing otherwise makes about as much sense as saying the French drink more wine than Italians, so wine is essentially French. Danfeder (talk) 02:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Arepa rellena

This (arepa rellena) is the most frequent form it adopts in Venezuela, whereas in Colombia it is still eaten unadorned (or just with butter or cheese spread on top, occasionally as a filling), mainly as the regional form of bread.

I removed this sentence as it is unreferenced and is not true in my experience. I am not Venezuelan but lived there for two years (in Monagas and Anzoátegui) and I very rarely saw arepas rellenas, they were almost always served plain or with butter. If I am wrong, please reinstate this information if you have a reference. I also did some miscellaneous cleanup, mostly for writing style issues (eg. English doesn't use "typical" in the sense of Spanish "comida típica" - I replaced it with "traditional"). More cleanup still needs to be done though. --Grace 09:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I was born in Colombia and, because my mother is Venezuelan, I have lived in several areas of both countries throughout my life. Arepas in Colombia are rarely filled with anything although customs are changing because of Venezuelan influence. But if you still go to Colombian and Venezuelan homes (as opposed to commercial places), Colombians will still rarely fill the arepa with anything whereas Venezuelans will always fill their arepas with something. That's because Venezuelans have always cooked the arepa so a characteristic hard layer or "concha" created around the dough is formed allowing them to put things inside. This in Venezuelan regions in which that is the "typical" cooking method. Some Venezuelan regions are very much Colombian in their habits and viceversa. These are neighbouring countries with a common history

Typical and traditional have different meanings for us and it's the same in English. The latin root of "typical" being clear enough in spite of Grace references to usage. For us, typical, in Spanish, is the opposite of "atypical" just as in English. So I do not understand Grace's objections in this respect. On the other hand, for us, something "typical" is not necessarily "traditional". It's just the most common form of the object in question found in a given region, but not in a historical sense (tradition). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.134.184 (talk) 22:07, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I consider myself an expert on foods particularly native foods of North America. Arepas are not in my expertise, however there are similar concotions in several native cultures now interpreted into various cuisines in Mexico and Central America. Someone asked for citations to verify statements. That's often very difficult in the area of food. One must depend as much on verbal knowledge from others as from research. So, then do you cite "Mrs. Lara, Tucson Mexican home cook of 65 years experience?" One must also depend on observation. So we can do that vicariously, too, as at this point we now know from various contributors what typical arepas are in Colombia and Venezuela. There appears to be a majority view. Sometimes documented examples are in error or simply lacking broader knowledge. I good example of this is "where was the Mexican dish molé invented?" The documented history you will find is that some nuns in Puebla invented it in the mid-1800's to serve French officers. Then from experience one can travel to Oaxaca and find that similar dishes, particularly using chocolate though there are other molés without chocolate, have been made there prior to Spanish conquest, and in other areas in central Mexico. And one can learn that a word similar to molé simply means sauce in Nahuatl. What is most likely is that molé was popularized among the elite in the mid-1800s, but one cannot really document that. Ciao! Bobbear43 (talk) 06:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Arepa rellena

A question: are arepas known outside of Colombia and Venezuela? Do Ecuadorians or Peruvians or Guyianans eat them and think of them as their own (as opposed to something brought by Colombian or Venezuelan immigrants)? Danfeder (talk) 02:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Ecuadorians have arepas too, they also have a different name for them: "tortillas de maíz". You can search "tortillas de maíz ecuatorianas" in any search engine and look for yourself. The same happens all over Central America, Bolivia and other places, there are very similar dishes to arepa in these places, such as gorditas, pupusas and tortillas de maíz, and yes, they make it with fillingst, too. JoselínDoom (talk) 21:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, i am from venezuela and i know that this food is from here. Its like Chile and Argentina, foond is almost the same. the "Cazuela" is from Chile, but in Argentina is a typical Dish. Maybe that happends with food from USA and Canada maybe. :D

Socialism's tangy and tasty benefits: apera wrap is wikileaky

This one is priceless.[1] Although the subject is notable, this kind of seems like trivia. Anyway to work the Hugo Chavez wikileak into this article or any other? - Wikidemon (talk) 01:25, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, done! I've just made a stub article for Arepera Socialista. Wikidemon (talk) 01:58, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Making arepas (hacer arepas)

I could not help but laugh when I saw this title, as it's slang for scissoring.

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Fairly list-heavy, good info. Use of graphic good. Hwonder talk contribs 01:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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New Section

Hello, I am a student at the College of Wooster in Ohio, working on a project to improve Latin America related wikipedia articles. I am planning on adding a new section later today about the history and culture of the arepa in modern day Venezuela. I see that there has been a lot of discussion about Colombia v. Venezuela and their consumption of arepas, so I wanted to add a section on Venezuela to make sure that both countries got representation. I will be discussing the popularity of the arepa in Venezuela, and how the food shortages have affected the amount of arepas being eaten. I will also discuss the influence that the Venezuelan arepas have had on arepas elsewhere. In addition, I will be adding a photo of arepas being produced on a wood fire stove. My sources are below: McManus, Melanie Radzicki. "How Venezuelan Traditions Work." Traditional Venezuelan Food - How Venezuelan Traditions Work | HowStuffWorks. July 25, 2011. Accessed October 19, 2017. https://people.howstuffworks.com/culture-traditions/national-traditions/venezuelan-tradition1.htm This website discusses the cultural significance of the arepa as a way of continuing Venezuelan culture. It discusses the frequency to which arepas are eaten. It is a very factual, to the point page.

Puyana, Alejandro. "Arepas Are Conquering The World - But Dying At Home In Venezuela." The Salt. July 26, 2017. Accessed October 19, 2017. http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/07/26/538515889/arepas-are-conquering-the-world-but-dying-at-home-in-venezuela. This article discusses how the arepa has spread to the trendy food scene, but in Venezuela, food shortages due to the new government is causing the per capita arepa consumption to decrease.

Rodriguez, Dulce M. "Venezolanos consumen 12,5 kilos menos de harina de maíz precocida al año." Noticias. November 22, 2016. Accessed October 19, 2017. http://visionagropecuaria.com/venezolanos-consumen-125-kilos-menos-harina-maiz-precocida-al-ano/. This article, written in Spanish, discusses the food shortages in Venezuela and discusses the effect that the shortages are having on corn flour consumption per capita. Arepas are made of corn flour, and the article discusses how arepas are being eaten less and less.

Bernal, Mateo M. Arepa, sabor y tradición del campo. December 18, 2016. Wikimedia commons. This is a photo, taken by a man in Venezuela, showing the process of making a batch of arepas. It shows a traditional method of making them. AmethystCosmos (talk) 14:35, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

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Puerto Rican Arepas

That entire section is wrong. Arepas de Coco is a different recipe from regular traditional Puerto Rican arepas. The regular is done by using flour with parts water and butter. Then said dough is fried. 2601:14D:4680:1DF0:4095:F093:A59D:1862 (talk) 01:00, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Why it says Venezuela?

Since this is obviolsy Colombian, looks like the person who write this does not know about history because the arepa is obviously Colombian 2600:6C5E:1BF0:71D0:F5A9:600E:1BC7:B74C (talk) 23:07, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. --Jotamar (talk) 20:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)