Talk:Archie Bunker/Archives/2013

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Why is this a stub? IMHO, it seems to cover everything that someone might want to know about Archie Bunker. But I'm new around here and perhaps I've simply yet to learn how stubs can be expanded. Thoughts? -Jwanders 22:37, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I've removed the stub notice. Moncrief 22:49, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Something that is missing, the fact that Archie Bunker got 1 vote for Vice President at the 1972 Democratic convention.

Edith once said that Archie was jelous of Mike because Mike was young and going to college and Archie has been forced to drop out of school to support his family and Archies life wasn't going anywhere now.

Archie's neighborhood

There are numerous sources with information about the neighborhood in Queens where Archie lived. On the other hand, where is it alleged that this was never mentioned in the course of the show? ~Sylvain 12/5/05

If there are numerous sources that conclusively say in which neighborhood the Bunkers lived, please cite one. The only "source" that matters is the show itself, and the particular neighborhood they lived in was never mentioned. This is a fact. If their specific neighborhood had been mentioned, there wouldn't be any confusion about the neighborhood, and we wouldn't have to say "maybe it was Corona, maybe it was Astoria." People who make such conjecture are basing it on clues in the series, but they are clues (a mention of Northern Boulevard - which travels through many Queens neighborhoods - here, a mention that they are "close to the airport" (But which one, LaGuardia? Kennedy? And in which direction?) there. The fact still remains that no one on the show ever mentioned the neighborhood by name, and therefore any mention of it is here is conjecture. I'm asking you for a link with proof (I happen to know you won't find any with any citation from the show itself); barring that, if you revert again, I'll take this to Requests for Comment. Moncrief 03:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd be happy to. Here's one in Newsday, a major NY daily newspaper that puts him in Corona: http://www.newsday.com/other/special/ny-ihny0513story,0,5038309.htmlstory?coll=4thrail-bottom-promo

Here's one the website of a US Congressman, which cites a reference in the Encyclopedia of the City of New York, edited by Kenneth Jackson, one of the most respected historians of New York City, also placing Bunker in Corona: http://crowley.house.gov/newyork/corona.htm

There are numerous TV websites that do also. Here's two:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/allinthefamily.html

http://timstvshowcase.com/aif.html

The About.com entry placed him in Astoria, on conjecture based on the images in the closing of the show: http://queens.about.com/cs/famousresidents/f/allinthefamily.htm?once=true&

I'm happy to leave Astoria out of it. But I will reply in kind regarding your allegation: I'm asking you for a link with proof that Bunker was not in Corona; barring that, if you revert again, I'll take this to Requests for Comment.~Sylvain 12/6/05

OK, I'm back after a few weeks' break. Again, all of those references do not specifically refer to an episode of the show in which a character said "Hey, we live in Corona!" or the like, but rather are based on their own writers' conjecture and interpretation of supposed clues. That being said, I'm willing to compromise. Astoria is an absurd guess, so you're right, we'll leave that out. See what you think of how I've written it now. It's accurate and includes your (and others') Corona supposition, which it's obviously important to you to include in this article. Moncrief 18:12, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

P.S., To put your username and date/time on a talk page, simply write four tildes, only without spaces, like: ~ ~ ~ ~ , in a row (no spaces). Name/date/time will appear automatically. Moncrief 18:14, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

The Astoria? section of the All in the Family discussion tab contains three strong references that Archie Bunker, and his family, lived in the Astoria neighborhood of Queens, NY.--Jazzeur 22:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

"Not insignificant"

For God's sake, "not insignificant" is not a double negative. Do you even know what a double negative is? If someone calls "not insignificant" a double negative, they're bastardizing the original meaning of the term, which is used to describe someting gramatically incorrect in English ("not insignificant" is hardly gramatically incorrect). "Not insignificant" is not the same as "significant." If I had wanted to use the word "significant" to describe the 1972 parody campaign, I would have used it. (I am aware of the word). "Not insiginifcant" is my attempt to strike the right tone to describe the campaign. If you can come up with a better qualifier, go for it. "Significant" is not it, since the Bunker election campaign of 1972 was really not particularly singificant: it was clearly a parody and didn't make a lasting imprint on history. However, it was also not insignificant because it was widely referenced at the time and generated bumper stickers and the like. Moncrief 02:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Excellent points. The "not in-" or "not un-" is a perfectly acceptable form of speech that is often misunderstood for its subtleties. Unfortunately.139.48.25.61 (talk) 16:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

World War II service

The character of AB was really quite multi-faceted; it's unfortunate that any real character dissection would be original research and violate no original research. Unless someone can find some acadamic paper or website somewhere. I still recall AB giving his new grandson a toy assault rifle for Christmas and telling shocked Gloria and Mike that "it's a lot better than the ones they gave us to kill Krauts with." He never talked about his WW II service much, but in a doctor visit - a great place to ruminate on mortality - he sheepishly admitted (tellingly, not to his own family) that (IIRC) he had been in the air corps in Italy, far behind the front lines. How true to life that was - so many veterans served in non-distinguished and relatively safe, anonymous jobs during the war and then felt - without having to - shame upon their return to the world, I think it really coloured their relationships afterwards. An example of the richness of the character. What a shame none of that can be explored in the article itself without a proper cite.139.48.25.61 (talk) 16:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Kings of Queens

I may be mistaken myself, but I think there is a mistake regarding the name of the lodge Archie belonged to: "the lodge he had attended since the early days of All in the Family, the Kings Of Queens."

I think that is actually the name of the organization from the Ku Klux Klan episode, and that Archie had resigned from it just about as quickly as he had joined it. Anyone know for sure? -- mariox19 2006-07-30 at 19:02 GMT.

No, The Kings of Queens was the name of the lodge that he had been a member of for a very long time. In one episode, the club did come under scrutiny for having no minority members. They decide to invite a black Jew in, thusly "killing two birds with one stone" However, the new member invites several other black men, and jokes that the name should be change to the Kings of Queens of Spades. Well. That got off track. But ya. It is in fact the name of the lodge that he was a member of. 70.130.157.224 08:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Listed "Date of Death" Misleading

The infobox says that Archie Bunker died "after April 4, 1983". This is misleading because according to the pilot episode of the series 704 Hauser which aired on April 11, 1994, the character Joey Stivic said that Archie Bunker was living in retirement in Georgia.

72.82.180.226 (talk) 22:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Bad categorizing

The character has repeatedly been tagged as a fictional Republican, but in the one episode where his registration status was mentioned, he wasn't registered at all. It is plain that Bunker voted (or, at least, wanted others to think that he'd voted) for Republicans such as Nixon, but far more people voted for Nixon than were Republicans. (Note that George McGovern reported that he voted for Gerald Ford in 1976; that hardly makes McGovern a Republican!) —SlamDiego_←T 23:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but he always supported Republican and conservative candidates. You don't actually have to be registered with a party on paper to be a member of it. There was one episode of All in the Family where Archie was in need of cheering up and Mike thought telling Archie he became a Republican would cheer him up(even thought Mike never was a Republican, it was all to help Archie cheer up). Archie also supported Ford because he was the Republican candidate, but it was stated that he prefered Reagan. He later told Mike that he would have Reagan in '80, a statement that proved prophetic. Please watch the show more before you come on here making comments like this.Bjoh249 (talk) 19:40, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

While I'm intrigued by this idea that one can be a member of a party without registering (the most common way to join the party -- did he, perhaps, hold fundraisers for the GOP? Hmm. Gotta think on that one...), it's a moot point. To say that Bunker was a Republican, we need a reliable source saying he was a Republican, not an argument for why he was probably/could have been a Republican. - SummerPhD (talk) 19:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Geesh! The guy declared himself a Republican on the show. If you want a reliable source just watch the show "All in the Family," especially the season 5 episode 12 episode "George and Archie make a deal." It is available on youtube.Bjoh249 (talk) 07:02, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Geesh! You didn't say that. Cite and quote the episode where he declares himself a Republican. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:45, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

This isn't that hard to look up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k60ZLOHXaBI&feature=related (he says it at :48) Watching the show would also be a good way to know this.Bjoh249 (talk) 05:52, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

That's swell. Now, if you'd like to add it, you can cite a reliable source. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:14, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Why do I need to cite it?? Few people even question this because most have either seen the show or have never even heard of the show. This is a well known fact.Bjoh249 (talk) 02:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

It was challenged. Cite it or lose it. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:01, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

The proof was just shown to you in that video, and anyone who has seen the show already knows it.Bjoh249 (talk) 10:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I've already removed it. If you would like to restore it, be sure to cite it. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 22:58, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Why did you remove it?? I just showed you the evidence. I don't even know how to cite that part.Bjoh249 (talk) 04:10, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Because there was no source cited. Now you've added it. Thanks. Now all we need is for someone to complete the citation. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Trivia Section

No matter what the last substantive section of this article is called, it is indeed WP:TRIVIA. It's simply a list of miscellaneous facts about the character, which should be avoided per Wikipedia guidelines.--Msl5046 (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)