Talk:Archer Avenue lines

Archer Avenue Extension

When I was redesigning and testing the signaling for the Archer Avenue Extension for Union Switch & Signal, I noticed some interesting attributes on the drawings and in the tunnels at Van Wyck Blvd. I walked the tunnels many times in 1986 and 1987 and found the following:

1) The entire grade separated tunnels for tracks D1A and D2A were built as part of the Queens lines contract under Public Works Administration (PWA) project No. 2741 in 1935 and 1936. The original tunnel lighting was installed and operative. They were called tracks D5 and D6 in the 1935 and were destined to go the Rockaways. 2) The tunnel was built originally from Van Wyck Blvd. to the middle of the present interlocking at Jamaica-Van Wyck. 3) When the Archer Avenue Extension was added the original tunnel was left original except for the addition of ties and track.

At Parsons-Archer, the tail track goes under the LIRR to allow for a several train storage. We provided rear home signals and red automatic signals with AK feature on these tail tracks. A Central Instrument Room (753CIR) is located deep in the tunnel on track D2A bench wall. --96.250.192.111 (talk) 21:45, 4 January 2010 (UTC) Barry

Beyond Jamaica Center

A real interesting paragraph:

"The original plan also called for the E train to continue along the right of way of the Atlantic Branch of the Long Island Rail Road through the Locust Manor and Laurelton stations. The Montauk Branch through St. Albans already provides parallel service to Jamaica. This conversion would have involved modifying existing platforms at Locust Manor and Laurelton to accommodate the IND loading gauge, as well as constructing new stations to serve Southeast Queens. Due to a lack of funding, this plan was never implemented."

I don't know about the rest of you, but this seems like it might've also created the potential to reopen a lot of former LIRR stations along both the Atlantic and Montauk Branches. I imagine if the E train was extended, we'd have articles along there like Higbie Avenue (IND Locust Manor Line), and Cedar Manor (IND Locust Manor Line), and stations like Springfield Gardens (LIRR station) would be reactivated. Although I keep thinking the Archer Avenue-Locust Manor connection would've required some southwestern jughandle. ----DanTD (talk) 05:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

But it's not open, so all we can do is hope that the MTA would complete the project in the future. Epicgenius^{(talk to me • see my contributions)} 13:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 2 July 2018

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Moved as proposed, per general consensus. bd2412 T 13:28, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

• Archer Avenue Lines → Archer Avenue lines
• 63rd Street Lines → 63rd Street lines
• Jamaica Center–Parsons/Archer (Archer Avenue Lines) → Jamaica Center–Parsons/Archer (Archer Avenue lines)
• Sutphin Boulevard–Archer Avenue–JFK Airport (Archer Avenue Lines) → Sutphin Boulevard–Archer Avenue–JFK Airport (Archer Avenue lines)
• Lexington Avenue–63rd Street (63rd Street Lines) → Lexington Avenue–63rd Street (63rd Street lines)
• West Fourth Street–Washington Square (IND Lines) → West Fourth Street–Washington Square (New York City Subway)
• 145th Street (IND Lines) → 145th Street (IND lines)
• Seventh Avenue (IND Lines) → Seventh Avenue (IND lines)
• 50th Street (IND Lines) → 50th Street (IND lines)
• Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets (IND Lines) → Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets (New York City Subway)
• Grand Central–42nd Street (IRT Lines) → Grand Central–42nd Street (New York City Subway)
• 149th Street–Grand Concourse (IRT Lines) → 149th Street–Grand Concourse (New York City Subway)
• Myrtle–Wyckoff Avenues (BMT Lines) → Myrtle–Wyckoff Avenues (New York City Subway)
• DeKalb Avenue (BMT Lines) → DeKalb Avenue (BMT lines)
• Prospect Park (BMT Lines) → Prospect Park (New York City Subway) Prospect Park (BMT Brighton Line)
• 62nd Street/New Utrecht Avenue (BMT Lines) → 62nd Street/New Utrecht Avenue (New York City Subway)

– Per WP:CAPITALIZATION and WP:TITLEFORMAT, "Lines" should be lowercase in the titles of these articles due to being unnecessarily capitalized. Syntactically it is descriptive (e.g. "the subway lines under Archer Avenue") and not necessarily considered part of the proper name, regardless of whether "Line" itself is considered part of the proper name of the lines. Compare capitalizing "Lines" mid-sentence (e.g. "the subway Lines under Archer Avenue"). Contrastingly, "Myrtle–Wyckoff Avenues" is itself a proper noun due to being the station's official name.

For the unambiguously named stations which are disambiguated with "IND Lines" and so on, I would prefer to disambiguate them with "New York City Subway" (at least for now), although I'm also fine with keeping "IND lines" and so on. Jc86035 (talk) 06:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 18:11, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

• Support "lines" moves. I could support a move to "XXX lines" if there are multiple lines in question, since "lines" would be a common noun, not a proper noun. However:
  • Oppose Prospect Park (New York City Subway). Prospect Park (New York City Subway) leads to a disambiguation page since there is another station called 15th Street–Prospect Park (IND Culver Line). The original title of this article was Prospect Park (BMT Brighton Line).
    • Technically, that stop is only on the Brighton Line. Just check the track designations.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:18, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
      • Even better, we can just move Prospect Park (BMT Lines) back to Prospect Park (BMT Brighton Line). epicgenius (talk) 20:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Support other "(New York City Subway)" titles. epicgenius (talk) 13:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC) @Jc86035: courtesy ping. epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

    @Epicgenius: The notification isn't sent if you add your comment to a line which already has text on it. Jc86035 (talk) 20:48, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

    @Jc86035: I never knew that. I am just calling to your attention that Prospect Park (New York City Subway) is ambiguous. epicgenius (talk) 20:51, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

    @Epicgenius and Kew Gardens 613: I've updated the proposal. Jc86035 (talk) 20:58, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

    Excuse me. The Prospect Park (BMT Lines) article says that the station is located on two lines; the BMT Franklin Avenue Line article lists the station as located on it; the Franklin Avenue Shuttle article does not mention the Brighton Line as used by the shuttle; the BMT Brighton Line article does not mention the shuttle as a route using it. Are all of them consistently wrong? Vcohen (talk) 20:28, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

    @Vcohen and Kew Gardens 613: At the end of each platform, there should be a red sign hung from the ceiling, or near the top of the wall. It shows the line name, division, and subway chaining codes for each track. I'm not sure what the sign says, since I have never actually paid attention to the sign at Prospect Park. But if the letter prefixes are different for the local and express tracks, this means it's on two lines. If it says "Brighton Line - BMT" and the prefixes are all the same, it's on the Brighton Line exclusively. Again, I have never read the red sign in depth so I don't know what it says. This is a bit of an issue because the switches are located south of the station, not to the north where the lines diverge. epicgenius (talk) 03:20, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

• Support only the following;
  • West Fourth Street–Washington Square (IND Lines) → West Fourth Street–Washington Square (New York City Subway)
  • Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets (IND Lines) → Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets (New York City Subway)
  • Grand Central–42nd Street (IRT Lines) → Grand Central–42nd Street (New York City Subway)
  • 149th Street–Grand Concourse (IRT Lines) → 149th Street–Grand Concourse (New York City Subway)
  • Myrtle–Wyckoff Avenues (BMT Lines) → Myrtle–Wyckoff Avenues (New York City Subway)
  • 62nd Street/New Utrecht Avenue (BMT Lines) → 62nd Street/New Utrecht Avenue (New York City Subway)
  I have considered leaving the existing Prospect Park (BMT Lines) as is, but despite the presence of the BMT Franklin Avenue Line, the Franklin Avenue Line itself was originally part of the BMT Brighton Line, so I'd be willing to consider returning the name to Prospect Park (BMT Brighton Line). On another issue, Grand Central (IRT elevated station) was an IRT station too, so the recent rename is pointless. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 14:01, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

  @DanTD: For what reasons do you not support the other proposed page moves? Jc86035 (talk) 14:25, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

  One lower case letter for the lines is awkward and out of balance. Therefore even if WP:CAPITALIZATION and WP:TITLEFORMAT dictates that this is how it should be, I can't abide by it. I had the same problem the last time this subject was brought up. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 14:29, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

  @DanTD: Would you also have this issue with, for example, Special Counsel investigation? I think it's better to follow the guidelines, and there's at least one article in the New York Times which capitalizes "Archer Avenue lines" this way. Jc86035 (talk) 15:22, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

• Support lowercase lines, avoiding overcapitalization. No problem with alternative disambiguators where preferred. Dicklyon (talk) 06:23, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
• Support—Can we please go with MOSCAPS? Minimise capitalisation. It's plain, it's simple, it's good for editors, and the results read better. Tony (talk) 06:50, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
• Support per MOS:CAPS, WP:NCCAPS, and a zillion previous RMs. Every other time I go to WP:RM there's another mass move relating to stations and lines, and they're always the same. We have guidelines for a reason. The fact that "rail-ish" writers love to capitalise these things is irrelevant. They are not proper-noun phrases but descriptive labels that often contain a proper name; sources do not consistently capitalize them (it's mostly done on signage and in governmentese, which over-capitalise everything); so WP doesn't apply capitals. The first rule of MOS:CAPS (and thus of NPCCAPS) is do not apply a capital letter unless the sources do it consistently. The railfans keep making the same "give us our caps" arguments over and over and over, no matter how many times these arguments fail. This is the very definition of tendentiousness. If there are any cases that turn out to be proper names (in the linguistic sense – the philosophy meaning has not relationship to capitalisation), then can be dealt with separately in one-article RMs. One such case is Olympic station, which should be Olympic Station just like Grand Central Terminal; this is an evocative proper name not a descriptive label (it has no connection to the Olympics, or any place named "Olympic [Anything]" or [Anything] Olympic").  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

  @SMcCandlish: Off-topic, but I personally think "Olympic" might actually just be an odd translation, since the Chinese name 奧運 means "Olympics"; compare Kensington (Olympia) station. Sameboat's argument in the mass RM (that an adjective doesn't mean "station" should be capitalized) is also worth noting. Incidentally, Sunny Bay station, on the same line, is actually named because of a sort of branding exercise done because the original Chinese name of the area was too unlucky for Disneyland. Jc86035 (talk) 06:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

  Well, I didn't mean to mire us in discussion of that one; I researched it, and it was named – in weirdly vague fashion – in honor of a specific Chinese olympian; it's a bit like naming a station "Astronaut Terminal", for no particular reason, with Kathryn Hire in mind in particular. The point being, the station itself has nothing to do with astronaut-stuff (or Olympics-stuff in this case). If it was a station at an Olympic Games site, then it would would be descriptive, like Van Ness station, the station at Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:23, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: ComplexRational (talk · contribs) 21:23, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I'll take a look at this. It may take until the weekend, though, before I can give in-depth feedback. ComplexRational (talk) 21:23, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

@ComplexRational: Thanks so much for being willing to take this up. I really appreciate it.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 00:21, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

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   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

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7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail: All changes addressed, so all the criteria are now met. Thanks for working through this review, and for contributing another high-quality NYCT article; keep up the good work! ComplexRational (talk) 01:56, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Generic comments

@Kew Gardens 613: I'm noticing that many of the sources do not have a URL or any other means of locating them on the web (besides unsuccessful searches). Do you still remember where you accessed them? It will be difficult to review the sources and verify some specific figures without this information, so it would be great if you could retrace them, link them, or email them if they are offline documents. ComplexRational (talk) 18:52, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

At a glance, these seem to be pretty reliable sources, but criterion 2b requires verification of statistics (such as prices and ridership) and opinions. The main ones giving me trouble are Long Island Press and Newsday; I'll post the exact statements later. ComplexRational (talk) 19:08, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@ComplexRational: Here is the thing. This is my only GAN that I have made significant use of newspaper clippings that are not on the web. I went to the Archives at the Queens Library in Jamaica, Queens to do this research. Some of these, like the Daily News, should be on the web, so I will add URLs for those that are on the web. For the others, you will have to take my word for them. I had to do that with a few Good Article Reviews that I did. If you have any more questions, let me now.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:11, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613: I've finished looking over the references, lead, and MOS pages. There are only a few comments remaining before the remaining criteria are completely fulfilled, so I'm putting this on hold for the moment. Once these comments are addressed, this looks almost certain to pass. Thank you for your work on this article! ComplexRational (talk) 13:27, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

@ComplexRational: I will address as much of these points as I can today. Thanks so much for taking this up. I like the reviews of my articles to be very thorough, so I would welcome ore thorough analysis of the article. The reviews that have felt most fulfilling are the ones were ones like this, like for Aqueduct Racetrack station. Thanks!--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:34, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Specific feedback

Overall comments

This is, as a whole, a very detailed article that covers all the main points and mentions many important details. Most of my comments below are about specific references or statements that may be excessive detail. More will follow on the lead and specific references later; I have not yet gotten up to that part, and anticipate doing so tomorrow or Saturday. ComplexRational (talk) 00:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

• For starters, I'd encourage adding a few more images—perhaps of the stations—if possible.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 10:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

    Thanks for adding the images. They have appropriate licensing and are relevant, so I'm marking criterion 6 as passed. ComplexRational (talk) 20:51, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Lead

• Second paragraph - "Since the two levels share no track connections..." - although it is later implied that the two lines are completely separate, you might want to consider making this clearer, and perhaps add mentions of different radio frequencies, in the body.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:51, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
• Considering that the body reiterates and gives numerous examples of construction and opening delays, I feel that there should be a sentence summarizing this in the lead.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:31, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Extent and service

• "See also: Program for Action" - I don't see how this hatnote pertains to this section's content. It's already mentioned in the history section, where it is more relevant.
  •  Done Thanks to @Epicgenius:--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:26, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
• "190th Street–Hollis Avenue" - the intent to extend eastbound is clear, though I can't find this exact terminus mentioned in the cited sources. If I missed something, please let me know.
  • @ComplexRational: Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I did not see this terminus mentioned in the cited sources, and have looked to see if I could find anything on the proposed extension. I will look for more information on the proposed terminus later. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @ComplexRational: I changed this to Hollis and added a different source.  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:21, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Planning

• "(now called Briarwood)," - The station is already linked, and I don't see the purpose of linking the neighborhood here
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 10:28, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
• "...Baisley Boulevard, and Springfield Boulevard." - This citation needs specifics; where is this image from? In its current state, I cannot say if it is reliable.
  •  Done I provided the original source. I have class now.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:56, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

    Much better now. I added the page number as well. ComplexRational (talk) 20:51, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

    • Thanks. Sorry for not doing that. I was quickly doing this before a class.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:00, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
• "blowers in the track roadbed to dissipate heat from air conditioned trains." - these are the exact words used in the source; please paraphrase if possible.
  •  Done by Epicgenius.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:36, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Construction

• "at Archer Avenue and 151st Street." - 151st Street looks like a private street on Google Maps (street view), so the use of this as a point of reference seems questionable. As the refs are offline, could you please clarify if 151st Street is mentioned (in that case I'd presume the map changed), or if not, define another point of reference?
  • The street was open at the time of the start of construction in 1974, and was demapped in the 1980s. I don't see any reason to change this.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:31, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

    That's clearer now, thank you. ComplexRational (talk) 20:51, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

• "paving the way for the southeast Queens subway line and the demolition of the Jamaica Avenue Elevated" - very similar to the source material; this also needs to be paraphrased.
  • @ComplexRational: I have compared this and the source material several times, and cannot see where this is very similar. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 11:46, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

This initially appeared when I did a copyvio check, unless it is purely coincidental that this diction is identical. ComplexRational (talk) 19:31, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. In any case, I see no reason to have this here; this is mentioned in the section above.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:51, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• "The removal of the elevated's frame was expected to take six to eight months. Demolition on this section was expected to begin early in 1978." - I feel this should be supplemented by end dates (if given in a RS), and reworded to something along the lines of "Demolition of this section began early in 1978 and took... (or ...in 1978 and lasted until...)", to give a more complete picture.
  • @ComplexRational: I had added more information on the demolition of this section. Is this sufficient, or does more need to be added or changed? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 11:43, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

It looks fine now, no more concerns about the structure of that part. ComplexRational (talk) 19:31, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• "On March 5, 1975, the MTA announced that the line should open by 1981. An August MTA letter stated that the line would not open until 1984." - not sure if this would be better placed at the end of the paragraph beginning "In July 1974...", which details what happened at the time of these announcements.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:59, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
• In general, this section is a very large wall of text; while it certainly pertains to construction, could you break it using subheadings?
  •  Done Thanks to @Epicgenius:--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:26, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
• Rest of the paragraph from "In April 1979, the Jamaica Water Supply Company," - does the ref cite this whole chunk? Please clarify, as the figures will need another citation if this is not it. I'd also split this into its own paragraph. Maybe a few very particular details could also be trimmed; the focal points should be concerns about water pumping during construction and its resolution, but don't worry about this part as much.
  • @ComplexRational:  Done I split it into a separate paragraph. This ref does cite the whole chunk. Was there anything you thought should be trimmed?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:58, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

  Better now. The only thing that I'm not sure is necessary is "2 billion gallons of water worth $1.4 million had been given to the company since 1976", because it breaks the flow in the rest of the paragraph. It doesn't make a very big difference either way, so I'll leave this to you to decide. ComplexRational (talk) 19:13, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

• "the temporary operation of 121st Street" - as a terminal station?
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 10:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Opening delays

• Paragraph beginning with "In June 1986, CTL issued a final report..." - does the citation include the payment figures as well?
  •  Done I got all of the information I added from the source material, so yes, the citation does include the payment figures.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:32, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
• "severely cut back" - I'd recommend dropping "severely" to make this more neutral, unless the source explicitly calls it severe.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 10:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Jamaica Line

• "The all-stop stations were...Chauncey Street and Gates Avenue." - while skip/stop is certainly important, I don't see how the categorization of stations or service in Manhattan directly relates to Archer Avenue service.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
• "All cars on the J/Z were expected to have air-conditioning by summer 1989." - this detail doesn't work very well here on its own. Do any sources say if these upgrades were actually made? It may even be better to cut this out entirely.
  • @ComplexRational: The cars were made air-conditioned to make the J/Z a more attractive alternative to E service. The upgrades were made by the transfering of different subway cars to the line. I will find sources.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
    • @ComplexRational: I haven't found anything yet, but will look. Is there anythign else that needs to be addressed?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:52, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

This looks pretty complete now. It's not holding up the GA per any criteria, so I'll let this pass for now, though feel free to work more on this part if and when you find anything. ComplexRational (talk) 01:56, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

• Paragraph beginning with "Express service was not implemented..." - this also is digressing; it would be better placed in J/Z (New York City Subway service).
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Queens Boulevard Line

• "The opening of the Archer Avenue line was expected to reroute 17,500 riders from Hillside Avenue to Archer Avenue." - do you recall if the citation mentions 17,500?
  •  Done Moved citation per this revision to make clear which source the figure is from. Thanks for being thorough.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:23, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
• Rest of the paragraph from "F trains no longer stopped at 169th Street between 10 a.m. and 3:30 p.m.." - this appears to digress from the focus of service on Archer Avenue; I would recommend trimming this.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

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The result was: promoted by feminist (talk) 10:20, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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• ... that the Archer Avenue subway took 15 years to finish, was completed at a cost of nearly five times its original budget, and cut back to a fraction of its original length? Source: "New Subway Line Finally Rolling Through Queens". Newsday. December 11, 1988. p. 7
  • ALT1:... that the Archer Avenue subway was intended to provide subway access to residents of southeast Queens, New York City, but was truncated to a fraction of its original length? Source: Shapiro, Hal (August 16, 1972). "A groundbreaking... with an eye on the el". Long Island Press; Newsday 1988
  • ALT2:... that when it opened, the Archer Avenue subway was hailed as a catalyst in the redevelopment of the New York City neighborhood of Jamaica? Source: NY Daily News 1988

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Glory to Hong Kong

Improved to Good Article status by Kew Gardens 613 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 02:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hook 3 is good to go. Ergo Sum 15:47, 20 September 2019 (UTC)