Talk:Aras Watershed Dam
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Which project exactly?
[edit]It is unclear, where exactly this dam will be built and what project it is. The IWPCO website talks about the Aras Dam and hydropower plant [1], the Aras Hydro Power Plant - Gharachilar [2], and Aras Watershed [3]. It seems that Aras Dam on the Iran-Armenia border will consist of two power plants - one on Armenian side named Meghri (we have a stub on this named Araks Hydro Power Plant) and one on Iranian side named Gharachilar or Karachinar. However, it is not clear if the Aras Watershed is the same project or not. Also, per this source the Aras Watershed will come on stream by March 20, 2011, so in this case it is not proposed, but under construction project. Beagel (talk) 10:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it seems like there is two power plants, with a capacity of 264 MW (consistent with the Araks HPP article) and an annual generation listed as " (Gwh): 800+825". Hmm, both the Araks and IWPCO has it as planned. That one Zaman News source you had states the the "Khorasan Dam" and the "Aras Watershed Dam". were in feasibility studies but would "come on stream" this year. It may be a poor translation but maybe "come on stream" means come under construction. I can't imagine talk of feasibility study and completion so soon. That article was from November 2010, see a similar one here. Here is a source on the Armenian/Iranian HPP but it doesn't mention Aras. "Araks" could be the Armenian spelling for "Aras", see Aras River. If it will be under construction soon, the article is notable. We'd probably have to merge the Aras Watershed Dam and Araks HPP articles. Also, I will do some research, if it is a bilateral project it adds to the notability. I will try to find a direct connection of the HPPs to the Aras Watershed Dam, they do appear related.--NortyNort (Holla) 11:38, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Some addition sources on the relation: see page 236, here, here and here.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:01, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, it seems that we have different dams here. Per the source you gave there are two existing dams on the Aras River in Iran - Aras Dam and Khoda Afrin Dam. The Aras Dam is located on the border between Iran and Nakhchivan (Azerbaijan) at 39°5′23.88″N 45°24′19.05″E / 39.0899667°N 45.4052917°E. This dam was built jointly by Iran and the Soviet Union (this is mentioned also in the Aras River article, although without a reference) and was completed on 1970.[4], [5] The Iran-Armenian joint complex with two plants will be located some 75 km downstream from the existing dam near Meghri. This complex is agreed but not implemented yet. It seems that this is a same as the Aras Watershed Dam. I propose to expand this article with merging the Araks Hydro Power Plant into it, and to create a new Aras Dam article for the existing dam. Beagel (talk) 13:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, I did some searches for Meghri Dam and came up with this and this. Also, see the subsection here. Being a border dam, there seems to be different names. We could name it the Meghri Dam as well for disambiguation's sake.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Meghri Dam sounds good, but I am afraid that this name is used only by Armenian side not by Iranian. Beagel (talk) 18:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- The one reference I gave here is Iranian and refers to it as "Megri" or "Meghri". Similarly, an Iranian one uses it [moe.org.ir/ipaw/ipaw127.pdf here]. I agree "Aras" is more common but I think Meghri is a viable and suitable alternative since there is already an Aras Dam article.--NortyNort (Holla) 03:55, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ok. I think that in this case we could move the Araks Hydro Power Plant to Meghri Dam and redirect Aras Watershed Dam to there. There is enough information for expansion of this article. I will also start the article on the existing Aras Dam, but I am not sure when I will have a time for this. Beagel (talk) 05:20, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- If you don't get to it by the weekend, I can start it. I have a few dams in Mexico I want to start as well.--NortyNort (Holla) 11:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ok. I think that in this case we could move the Araks Hydro Power Plant to Meghri Dam and redirect Aras Watershed Dam to there. There is enough information for expansion of this article. I will also start the article on the existing Aras Dam, but I am not sure when I will have a time for this. Beagel (talk) 05:20, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- The one reference I gave here is Iranian and refers to it as "Megri" or "Meghri". Similarly, an Iranian one uses it [moe.org.ir/ipaw/ipaw127.pdf here]. I agree "Aras" is more common but I think Meghri is a viable and suitable alternative since there is already an Aras Dam article.--NortyNort (Holla) 03:55, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- Meghri Dam sounds good, but I am afraid that this name is used only by Armenian side not by Iranian. Beagel (talk) 18:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, I did some searches for Meghri Dam and came up with this and this. Also, see the subsection here. Being a border dam, there seems to be different names. We could name it the Meghri Dam as well for disambiguation's sake.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, it seems that we have different dams here. Per the source you gave there are two existing dams on the Aras River in Iran - Aras Dam and Khoda Afrin Dam. The Aras Dam is located on the border between Iran and Nakhchivan (Azerbaijan) at 39°5′23.88″N 45°24′19.05″E / 39.0899667°N 45.4052917°E. This dam was built jointly by Iran and the Soviet Union (this is mentioned also in the Aras River article, although without a reference) and was completed on 1970.[4], [5] The Iran-Armenian joint complex with two plants will be located some 75 km downstream from the existing dam near Meghri. This complex is agreed but not implemented yet. It seems that this is a same as the Aras Watershed Dam. I propose to expand this article with merging the Araks Hydro Power Plant into it, and to create a new Aras Dam article for the existing dam. Beagel (talk) 13:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please see the AfD here for my general explanation on this and other projects.--Irooniqermez (talk) 16:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you. Unfortunately your comment does not clarify which of these several projects on the Aras River is the Aras Watershed Dam. Beagel (talk) 18:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please see the AfD here for my general explanation on this and other projects.--Irooniqermez (talk) 16:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)