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Time to update Aptera Motors page, moving model 2e to History and describe the 2019 solar powered model

The 2019 revived Aptera Motors is planning to produce an EV with a range of 1000 miles with solar panels capable of adding up to 44 miles per sunny day.

This new Aptera has gotten quite a bit of press, including

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1124775_1-000-mile-electric-car-unveiled-aptera-returns-10-years-later

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/29/aptera-is-back-baby-new-improved-electric-car-will-have-1000-mile-range/

and

https://wefunder.com/aptera/

Fotoguru (talk) 16:17, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've completed my proposed edits with all the information I could find. Fotoguru (talk) 05:37, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is being butchered by some folk who don't think Wikipedia should have much company information.

Please review the recent history of deletions. Are they right? Should Wikipedia articles on notable companies such as this one be this sparse? Should they delete all information from the company itself? Fotoguru (talk) 02:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have found and added secondary sources as requested. I believe enough edits have been made to the article to remove the marker for other issues on this article's header. If I hear nothing here for a few weeks, I'll assume general agreement and remove the issue marker. Fotoguru (talk) 16:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You actually already removed one of the tags. In actuality, it should be a "better source" tag. In addition, as you have stated you have a financial interest, I would advise any further edits you wish for the page should be requested here. I will take a look at the added source now. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:19, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an example of why the press release tag is on the page - "This would make the Aptera the most efficient and the longest-range motor vehicle ever designed for mass production" - The reference actually says "if successfully brought to market," yet the wording makes it seem like the vehicle is already launched and "is" the most efficient."--CNMall41 (talk) 04:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Launched" is closer to "announced" in the automotive industry. That is very different from "in production" which usually happens months or years after "launch".

According to the company, the Aptera solar EV was "launched" back in December 2020. That's their word for it. That was done in an event where they revealed the first prototype, announced the estimated prices and started taking paid reservations. See, for example, their video "Aptera has launched" from that time at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNjUdTJjiNk. Of course at that time what was launched and revealed was their first prototype and new web site. (They had already launched their development and crowd funding drive the previous year.)

The infobox and article text make clear to me that their solar vehicle is not yet in production. In my edits I have attempted to make clear which specifications are claims that the company has made that are yet to be verified by independent sources, such as the car's efficiency and range. If you see anyplace where that is not the case, please edit the Aptera articles to make it so. Fotoguru (talk) 20:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clear you you but not necessarily the reader and we write for the reader, not what an investor wants readers to see. I would be happy to edit the page to clean it up so it adheres to guidelines but I am not sure this would help your cause. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is your "cause"? I hope your "cause" is the same as mine here on Wikipedia -- an accurate and useful article on the subject at hand. Fotoguru (talk) 20:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is useless at this point. I will take some time later on to clean it up as you requested. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Old vs. New "Aptera"

There's certainly a relationship between the current Aptera Motors and the original - same founders, same basic concept. But the product lines discussed in the article are muddied between old Aptera (ca 2007-2011) and new Aptera (2019-present). I'd suggest that any discussion of old Aptera be confined to a "History" section, or possibly separated into a completely different Wikipedia page. 172.59.73.165 (talk) 16:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with more clearly separating the old Aptera Motors Inc. company from the current Aptera Motors Corp. company. Unfortunately I am being blocked from editing this article by CNMall41, so someone else will need to do it. Fotoguru (talk) 13:28, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for the Aptera 2 Series article?

It was hidden by redirection by our favorite destructive editor, CNMall41. You can still find a full saved historical version by clicking here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aptera_2_Series&oldid=1173950654 Fotoguru (talk) 13:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would disagree with needing two separate pages. Also, last warning on WP:CIVILity. You are clearly WP:NOTHERE. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for my use of sarcasm. Also I agree about the lack of need for separate articles for the 2 companies from the same founders, if that is what you were referring to.

However, removing all the historical information about the 2 series Apteras by redirecting that topic to a page where it is not mentioned, rather than moving that information back to that referring page or anywhere else is clearly a destructive edit. If someone today came to Wikipedia looking for information on those historical vehicles, they will be misdirected. That is clearly poor editing. I had to work to find that information in the historical record. I would be willing to work to move that infomation back to the Aptera Motors page if you'd let me. But your past behavior leaves me to believe I'd just be wasting my time. Would others be wasting their time as well? Fotoguru (talk) 02:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say based on your previously admitted COI with the topic, use the talk page for recommendations to the page as opposed to working on it yourself. I have not gone through the information added recently information but will when I have the mindset. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:14, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No new information was added. I only moved a paragraph about the Series 2 Aptera from the company's History section to the more appropriate Design History section. Fotoguru (talk) 10:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am talking about this which on its face does not seem like it is supported by reliable sources. As stated, I will look closer when I get some energy for it. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]