Talk:Appasaheb Marathe

Hello! This article had 3 maintenance templates attached to it, namely, 1. Orphan article 2. Notability guidelines 3. Bare URLs

I had successfully resolved issue nos. 1 & 2.

For issue no. 1, I had put around a dozen of links to other wikipedia articles.

For issue no. 2, I had only given citations from sources which were widely read and known worldwide.

I had removed the maintenance templates for the above 2 issues, but now I find, much to my surprise, that they are still there.

Can anyone tell me why they are still there and how can I remove them? Thank you! 

¬¬¬¬ — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ Dadumiya (talk • contribs) 10:57, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi ‎ Dadumiya Firstly, please sign all posts on talk pages (but NOT in articles) with 4 tildes ( ~~~~ ) which will add your signature and a timestamp - I suspect you knew that, but you used the wrong symbol. However, if you had previewed the page before publishing it, as you are supposed to, or even checked it after publishing it, the mistake would have been obvious.
As for your question
1) You have not de-orphaned the article, I suspect you do not understand what that means - it is NOT a question of adding links to this article pointing out, but to adding links in other articles, pointing in. Currently, the only incoming links are a Wikipedia dump, a transclusion of this article, a redirect and some user pages, no articles whatsoever
2) I am not convinced that you have shown notability. I have not checked all the references, but I see lots of trivial mentions, mostly in fairly obscure publications, not substantial coverage in independent WP:reliable sources
3) The way you tried to remove the templates was also incorrect, leaving a weird box at the top of the page - Arjayay (talk) 11:56, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Arjayay, thank you very much for your reply. Yes, I made a mistake in not properly signing my post by using 4 tildes. Actually, I did use 4 tildes but those were from my keyboard, first button in second row of keys, left to the number 1 button. Anyway, mistake accepted and rectified.

Now, coming to our discussion...

First point. Sir, when you say that I have not de-orphaned the article, you say that I have to add links to other articles "which point in". My basic question is, if the article is new to Wikipedia, how can there be any other articles pre-existing which have knowledge / information about this article?

Second point. On the question of notability, there are citations from prominent newspapers in India which are very widely read here and which contain information about the subject of the article? Are they not Reliable Sources?

Third point. The way I removed the templates. OK, I consulted Wikkipedia's page for removing templates and it said that after removing a template you should leave behind a "descriptive edit summary" message saying "Removed [insert the name of template] because I have fixed the issue;". So was I wrong in following Wikipedia's guidelines?

Sir, please enlighten! Thanks again! Dadumiya (talk) 13:39, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Arjayay, I thought about that "de-orphan" issue which you mentioned, and finally I understood what you meant by "adding links in other articles, pointing in". It means, that I have to go to each of these articles and leave a hyperlink which points to MY article. Right?

Sorry, for not understanding you at the start.

best regards Dadumiya (talk) 13:52, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Dadumiya -
1) Yes, you have to go to the other articles and link back to this one
2) I emphasised the need for substantial coverage, i.e. a magazine article or at least a half-page article in a national/international newspaper, specifically about Appasaheb Marathe, not just mentioning him along with others; whereas what I see is fairly trivial and/or unverified coverage. Although not yet discussed at the Reliable sources noticeboard I don't think indianmemoryproject.com is a reliable source, as it is uses "narratives offered by families and individuals" and is compiled by multiple (unvetted) contributors, rather than being based on documented facts and written by a noted historian.
3) You were not following the guidelines - your comments were not made in the "edit summary", they were added to the multiple issues box on the article page - Arjayay (talk) 14:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Arjayay, thank you very much for your response.

1. Can you please guide me how to go into other articles and post hyperlinks there pointing towards my article?

2. I am reworking the "notability" issue and hope to resolve it soon.

3. I shall make further commnets in the "edit summary" as per your instructions.

Thanks again and best regards Dadumiya (talk) 11:23, 13 June 2021 (UTC)