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Named after Apep?

How come Apepi I named himself after Apep, who was evil and an enemy of Ra? Tutthoth-Ankhre (talk) 22:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming the pronunciation and etymology are the same, I was wondering the same thing. As a professor of mine said, it's as if the U.S. had a President Satan! Lusanaherandraton (talk) 05:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wild speculation - Maybe his name was just really close, like "enter" or "pass" (app instead of aapp) and the scribes he hired were not getting paid enough. Seriously, does the PHAROAH need to read or just hire scribes to do it. Picking Seth as a chief god might have seriously pissed them off. Thats my wild theory for the day folks. 08:41, 14 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledge Incarnate (talk • contribs)

Is it really known for certain that the Demon Apep was called that prior to the Hyksos reign? Cause giving the Hyksos are definitely the main reason Set become so vilified, and how we often find we don't know as much as we think about the religious development of Egypt, I think it may be possibly that the naming connection is the other way around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.92.234.42 (talk) 15:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is Apopi I. or Apopi II. who lived in Ahmose war with Hyksos? Or its that the same person? Bynk--195.91.43.138 (talk) 13:34, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is only one Pharao of that name. Splitting him into several rulers is an assumption research has given up upon. Str1977 ^(talk) 05:28, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

the seal

I am sorry, but I fail to make out anything that could be interpreted as 'ippi, s.htp t3wy (Horus name), or nb ḫpš rˁ (throne name) in this seal. I can't read it, but it seems to begin with r. I am not a specialist, but it would seem the burden of establishing that the name in the cartouche is Apepi's would lie with those making the claim. --dab (𒁳) 10:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The caption that went with the original image (which crops out the copyrighted text from the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston) says that "the name on the base of this scarab is Aa-user-re, which it goes on to say was the prenomen of the Hyksos pharaoh commonly known as Apophis. I have posted the original image (from which the one on Wikimedia Commons is a cropped version of) at: http://www.captmondo.com/images/P3257123.JPG.

Does that resolve the issue to your satisfaction?

And just as an aside, we/somebody ought to do a proper pharaoh infobox for this article with full listing of the various names belonging to this pharaoh. Captmondo (talk) 13:10, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Smenkhkare???

This article claims that Apepi inscribed his name over one of Smenkhkare's monuments. Didn't Smenkhkare live towards the end of the 18th dynasty? How would that then be possible?

And I'm certainly a neophyte when it comes to reading cartouches, but it appears that the cartouches of the Hyksos king and the demon of the same name are completely different. Why are they then pronounced the same? Was this guy really named after a demon?

68.7.98.215 (talk) 10:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)David[reply]

You are right, that definitely is an error, as Smenkhkare was a pharaoh of the late 18th dynasty, and unless Apepi had a time machine could not have possibly re-inscribed one of his monuments. Am guessing that the original contributor meant to say that it was one of the Senusrets. Unfortunately I don't have that particular book in my library, so I can't correct the entry, but I will remove the Smenkhkare reference.

Can't really comment in depth on the names, though different hieroglyphs could have the same sound value while signifying different things. Captmondo (talk) 16:11, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I picked up a copy of the book where the original reference to Smenkhkare was made, and it turns out that it is there in the book -- but it also mentions that it is the name of an obscure, late 13th dynasty pharaoh, not the better-known Amarna-era pharaoh from the 18th dynasty which came well after the death of Apepi. The author of the book -- which is a standard textbook on Ancient Egypt -- uses an odd naming scheme for the pharaohs, so I am not certain which pharaoh he is actually referring to as "Smenkhkare", though I suspect it is Sankhenre. I need to do some further digging into my library in order to properly sort it out. Captmondo (talk) 15:22, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

About the Smenkhkare, the solution is very simple. At least two pharaohs used this name, the best known is that of the 18th dynasty. Our Smenkhkare is better known as Imyremeshaw of the 13th dynasty, earlier than Apophis. Khruner (talk) 17:46, 22 June 2014 (UTC)4[reply]

Any source for this "very simple solution" and for any other pharao of that name? A misreading seems more likely. Str1977 ^(talk) 05:28, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

outdated

See the 2010 radiocarbon dates for Ahmose I, which puts him contemporary with Apepi. 100.15.120.122 (talk) 14:12, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have the reference? (article/) I would be interested in reading it. Iry-Hor (talk) 07:56, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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would have ... if

The articles said: "and would have ruled during the early half of the 16th century BC if he outlived his southern rival, Kamose, but not Ahmose I.[3]"

What is that supposed to mean? Apophis certainly ruled in the early half of the 16th century and he did outlive Kamose: his successor Khamudi was conquered in his 11th year, the 18th year of Kamose's sucessor Amose, indicating that Amose became king seven years before Khamudi succeeded Apophis. Str1977 ^(talk) 05:28, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please clarify/explain

He didn't worship any other deity in the whole land except Seth." Jan Assmann argues that because the Ancient Egyptians could never conceive of a "lonely" god lacking personality, Seth the desert god, who was worshiped exclusively, represented a manifestation of evil;[18]

What on earth does this mean how are the points related?

- Ancient Egyptians could never conceive of a lonely God - Apepi worshipped Set exclusively - Set is therefore evil

How is that a plausible conclusion from two totally unrelated points? 2A00:23EE:1209:326E:ED47:3B90:70E6:B718 (talk) 05:13, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is a major assumption...

to say that apepi is one and the same with aphophis. Lets assume for once that the ancients were not incompetent. Aphophis should logically be the entry before khamudi in the turin cannon. Apepi is way before that, deep in the 14th dynasty. Assuming that the ancients were not incompetent, i dont think they are the same person. I feel this is a theory being pushed as fact. 96.72.151.221 (talk) 23:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]