Talk:Aonghus mac Somhairle

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Sons of Angus

David Sellar in Hebridean Sea-Kings (p195) says this for Angus: "Of Angus nothing is known, save that he fought and defeated his brother Ranald in 1192, and was killed along with his three sons in 1210. His line died out". In the corresponding footnote his goes on: "The ascription by later historians to Angus, son of Somerled, of a son James whose daughter and heiress married the Alexander the Steward (e.g. Scots Peerage, v, 31) is now recognised as erroneous".--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 05:17, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The text says: "Some sources (such as The Scots Peerage) erroneously claim that a granddaughter of Aonghus—named "Jean"—married Alexander Stewart, Steward of Scotland.[63] The mother of Alexander's son, James, is uncertain. Nevertheless, surviving evidence suggests that Alexander was married to Joanna, daughter of Richard Comyn; and that Alexander's sister, Eva, was in turn married to Richard's son, John.[64]"

It is logically impossible to assert that the claim is erroneous when the author has not got a clue as to what the alternative is. This whole note is based on a false dichotomy of a fairly elementary sort: it IS possible for a man to marry twice.

The underlying problem faced by the author of this note is where the name "James" came from (and by the way whatever else he may have been called we may be confident that it was not "James"). So too with the putative James mac Rory, of course.

I propose to rephrase the sentences as: "Some sources (such as The Scots Peerage) claim that a granddaughter of Aonghus—named "Jean"—married Alexander Stewart, Steward of Scotland.[63] The mother of Alexander's son, James, is now held to be uncertain." Freuchie (talk) 12:06, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]