Talk:Anton Reicha

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Musicians.

Composers

This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Composers, a group of editors writing and developing biographical articles about composers of all eras and styles. The project discussion page is the place to talk about technical and editorial issues and exchange ideas. New members are welcome!ComposersWikipedia:WikiProject ComposersTemplate:WikiProject ComposersComposers articles

Music theory C‑class

	Music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Music theory, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of music theory, theory terminology, music theorists, and musical analysis on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Music theoryWikipedia:WikiProject Music theoryTemplate:WikiProject Music theoryMusic theory articles
C	This article has been given a rating which conflicts with the project-independent quality rating in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Stub?

Why is this page a stub? I think this is enough for a "full" article... Selfinformation 22:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, there's enough information here. In cases like this, you should just go ahead and remove the stub templates from the page - there's no need to ask. Jashiin 07:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Josef Reicha

His own compositions (at least the cello concertos of opus 4) are played and have been recorded, and redirecting only to a page in which he's mentioned as a cellist and teacher is slightly confusing :) Separate page, modify this one, or remove the redirect and allow a redlink until there's enough reason to create the first option? Schissel | Sound the Note! 11:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Josef Reicha has a separate article in NG, and not a small one either, so I think he deserves one here too. I made it a red link for now and will write a small article soon. Jashiin 17:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of works

If noone objects, I'd like to move the list of works into a separate article (ie. List of compositions by Anton Reicha), complete with sources. This was done in Beethoven, Mozart, really most composers. A nice shorter list of selected works, complete with opus numbers and dates of publication where available would be much more fitting, I think, especially given the uncertainity in attribution of many of Reicha's works and the sorry state of scholarship on him. Any objections? Jashiin 20:19, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A full week has passed, there were no objections, so I moved the list. But I'm not so sure as I was a week ago about a shorter list - do we really need one in this article? Pros: (a) a short list of selected major works will draw attention to those works; (b) it will spare the reader the neccessity to find their way through the complexities of current Reicha catalogues. Cons: (a) if we can expand the "Works" section significantly, mentioning all major works, there will be no need to list those works in a separate section (but then again, its going to be hard to expand the section with practically no literature available in English); (b) I can't think of too many "major" works.. the wind quintets, the 36 fugues, the etudes, perhaps the operas, and that's it. I don't know much about Reicha's symphonic works, for instance, or whether his piano sonatas are "major" works. Anyway, opinions on the matter are welcome. Jashiin 20:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Variations for bassoon" in the Media section

Does anyone know exactly what piece is this? Stone's catalogue indicates just one work for bassoon and piano, a Duo in B-flat major without opus number. The only bassoon variations listed are a work for bassoon and string quartet. Is the media file provided a recording of a transcription? On the Ibiblio site, the title is given as simply "Bravura Bassoon". I have doubts whether this is a work by Reicha and/or whether this is the work's original form. Jashiin 12:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This must be the one with string quartet. It's a transcription (lacking an intro, for some reason) of the piece on this CD, which is for bassoon and string orchestra. The linar notes don't give any info on the piece, unfortunately (though there's a nice analysis of the clarinet concerto). ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 23:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thanks for catching that. I've renamed the piece in the article accordingly. Jashiin 12:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Life

There are 2 sentences in this article which make no sense:

"In 1801 Reicha's opera L'ouragan, which failed in Paris, was performed at the palace of Prince Joseph Franz Maximilian Lobkowicz, Beethoven's patron. Empress Maria Theresa commissioned another opera after this performance, Argine, regina di Granata, which also was performed (although privately)."

Maria Theresa of Austria died in 1780, so it's impossible that she commissioned another opera from Reicha after 1801!

Millertj27 (talk) 08:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well spotted, thanks! I've changed the link; it wasn't Maria Theresa of Austria, but Maria Theresa of Naples and Sicily. --Jashiin (talk) 10:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Composer project review

I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This is a fine article, with which I have only modest factual and MOS-related issues. My full review is on the comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 17:37, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. I expanded the lead as requested; hopefully this is better. I'd love to see more inline citations and references, but unfortunately Reicha's life and work are not a popular subject among scholars, and so practically no good sources are available. --Jashiin (talk) 11:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Having actually played and liked Reicha's wind quintets, I always wondered why he seemed otherwise obscure. Someday I'll have to see if there are some good English (or possibly German) resources in my area. Unfortunately, I suspect most of the good scholarship is either Czech or French, both of which I am weak in. (Google Books turns up this German work that I might get access to, someday in the future.)

The lead is definitely an improvement, btw. Magic♪piano 21:04, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Anton Reicha/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Comment(s)

Press [show] to view →

;Composers Project Assessment of Anton Reicha: 2024-11-11

This is an assessment of article Anton Reicha by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano.

If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down.

Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status.

Origins/family background/studies

Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?

ok

Early career

Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

ok

Mature career

Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

ok

List(s) of works

Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.

ok

Critical appreciation

Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?

ok

Illustrations and sound clips

Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)

ok

References, sources and bibliography

Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?

Article has references; some inline citations.

Structure and compliance with WP:MOS

Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)

Lead is short.

Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review

Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE)
Article lead needs work (WP:LEAD)

Summary

This is a pretty good biography; it covers his life, including his war-related travails fairly well. His music and impact are reasonably well covered, if a bit muted at times. (Perhaps some more explicit critical or popular commentary would help with this.) If there is any interesting historiography associated with Reicha's music (as there is with Schubert's, for example), it should be elaborated.

The article's lead is short; it should reflect the main points of the article in 3-4 paragraphs. A formal review (for GA or FA) would require a more fully-cited article. Article is B-class; probably not a long way from A. Magic♪piano 17:35, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 17:35, 19 March 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 08:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Anton Reicha. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20051118105913/http://www.klassiekemuziekgids.net/componisten/reicha.htm to http://www.klassiekemuziekgids.net/componisten/reicha.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:05, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Did Reicha write symphonies?

In the article it says that Reicha wrote 8 symphonies. But if you click on Imslp, it doesn't show any!! Explain please. WG HighwayNd4 (talk) 23:54, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why the hell would you base any assumptions about a composer's body of work based on what IMSLP has scores of? Lemme Google that for you. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 05:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fell into obscurity?

'Due to Reicha's unwillingness to have his music published before him), he fell into obscurity soon after his death and his life and work have yet to be intensively studied.'

Could it be that his work is not worth studying? That Reicha is one of the vast number of artists whose output was 'of its time' but naturally sank into oblivion as tastes changed? Much music by outstanding artists came down to us because it was played so often, and many hand-written MS existed. Obscurity cannot be attributed to lack of publication alone. And Reicha might have had a sound notion of his own moderate standing as a composer.

We are seeing second and third-rate female artists being 'rediscovered' and their work is no better - and no worse - than their male peers, and who remain obscure or lost, and with good reason.

Still, the current 'rediscovery' industry provides a few musicologists today with some rank and a doctoral diploma. It remains for some future iconoclast to expose the hum-drum nature of this 'rescued' material, and link it to the ubiquitous 'dumbing down' of public taste. 124.168.123.210 (talk) 22:00, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

a surrogate guardian?

What on earth does this mean? Is 'de facto' guardian intended? That he cared for the girls, though not legally required or empowered to do so? 'Surrogate' is one of today's horrid 'buzz words'. Might we do without it ? 124.168.123.210 (talk) 22:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]