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Antisemitism vs Antizionism and source quality

This article seems to conflate antizionism and antisemitism on a number of occasions. I understand that groups like the ADL consider antizionism to be innately antisemetic, but that is a clearly disputed position.

I don't think this list is useful, and think it should be merged with Anti-Palestianism during the 2023 Israel-Hamas war and [1], but if it continues to exist I think it needs to be cut down to ensure these events actually involve the explicit targeting of Jewish people, and not just the presence of Jewish people.

The first one that stood out to me was this: [2], which itself cites CBS here: [3] in which it's made clear that that the protest in question was aimed at the university president and that other students were present in the library as normal. Considering the quality of this source, I suspect the full list needs a review. MVHVTMV (talk) 08:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with this. I particularly noticed the example of the Norwegian student listed in the "Poland" paragraph: while a sign showing only the star of David in a waste bin would doubtless be antisemitic, an Israeli flag in a waste bin is different. The protester in question was also interviewed (see this interview here around 2:40 and also this interview on Norwegian TV2), and has clarified that it was not directed against Jewish people in general, but against the Israeli state.

Moreover, as stated in the TV2 article linked above, this news spin seems to originate from the Visegrád 24 Twitter account. Visegrád 24 seems like a source to use with caution, see here and here. Fogelstrom (talk) 21:32, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Scope overlap

This article significantly overlaps the scope of the Hate crimes related to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war article. To avoid duplicated effort, should they be merged? - Cameron Dewe (talk) 01:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good question about scope overlap Cameron. The surge in antisemitism has been broadly documented in a wide array of sources, so objectively it merits a stand-alone page. Loksmythe (talk) 03:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just in case this suggestion arise again -

Any attempt to remove Antisemitism during the 2023 Israel-Hamas War as a standalone article without making similar suggestion against the strikes me as partisan and non-neutral. HollerithPunchCard (talk) 17:45, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Information useful to the article

Antisemitic, Islamophobic offenses soar in London after Israel attacks, Reuters, 20 October 2023

GnocchiFan (talk) 19:07, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Developing

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bkszpgpqa Pro-Palestinian protestor suspected of killing Jewish man in LA Loksmythe (talk) 00:27, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More information that could be added

Incendiary thrown at a synagogue in Montreal, Canada: https://globalnews.ca/news/10075973/montreal-synagogue-firebombing/

Israeli flag burned outside a synagogue in Malmo, Sweden: https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/israel-flag-burned-outside-malmo-sweden-synagogue-video/ar-AA1jqCEg https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hate-crime-accusations-fly-after-malm%C3%B6-synagogue-incident/ar-AA1jyn9y Hawar jesser (talk) 03:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Man assaulted and "severely bashed" in Australia: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/major-antisemitic-attack-jewish-man-severely-bashed-in-sydney/video/3c7ca4bab3a239051f0eeae75d544fe8 Hawar jesser (talk) 23:35, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/20/rising-antisemitism-campus-federal-investigation/71579893007/ Anti-Semitism on American college campuses. Hawar jesser (talk) 06:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chabad house in Kalamazoo spray painted with swastikas https://wwmt.com/amp/news/local/anti-semitic-vandals-spray-paint-swastikas-local-synagogue-hate-jewish-crime-clean-up-community-kalamazoo-michigan-violence Hawar jesser (talk) 13:53, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Woman in Indianapolis intentionally crashed car into building she thought was Jewish facility (actually is home to an antisemitic group, ironically). https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-woman-drives-car-into-antisemitic-groups-building-mistaking-it-for-jewish-school/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by MCmcMCmcMCmc (talk • contribs) 18:40, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coopers Union college event

I made an edit to the Coopers Union event in the North America section, based on the two sources already used. I then added a source from the 2023 Israel–Hamas war protests page to better match the information presented in both the sources and that page. It appears @Loksmythe has reverted/changed the edit to remove factual information and make it different to how the sources and other page portrays the event.

I'm not discrediting how the students may have felt but as indicated in the third article, the NYPD has cast doubt on the accounts provided by the students in the library. Leaky.Solar (talk) 01:33, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To add

UK

Manhunt in Britain: Protesters with Hamas bands and woman shouting 'death to all Jews'

\\ Loksmythe // (talk) 01:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ADL list

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/global-antisemitic-incidents-wake-hamas-war-israel

Pretty well sourced and comprehensive list, some examples could be added. Hawar jesser (talk) 06:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As per "Poland'

The drawing was of merely a star of david in the trash. Not a flag of Israel. 2A02:14F:1F4:3A74:EC0B:1359:470:2EF3 (talk) 06:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is worse, from a logical POV. 74.71.4.108 (talk) 14:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Terror plots to add

\\ Loksmythe // (talk) 16:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 December 2023

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I would like to insert references to two articles published by the Socialist Workers Party (UK). In these articles the Socialist Workers Party is clearly celebrating anti Semitism. Leading with the headline; "Rejoice Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).</ref>as Palestinian resistance humiliates racist Israel". https://socialistworker.co.uk/international/rejoice-as-palestinian-resistance-humiliates-racist-israel/

https://socialistworker.co.uk/international/were-rewriting-history-our-fighters-took-the-initiative-palestine-speaks-out/ "All of us are proud. Today was a rewriting of history—our history. I can hear the bombing now. In Tel Aviv, Gaza and everywhere is all under fire. We are watching what we thought would never, in our lifetime, happen". NNCohen (talk) 16:25, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Spintendo 04:16, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bracing for migration in the lead

The Israeli minister’s comment in the lead is surely not noteworthy enough to be in the lead. But the current structure doesn’t include any section that could logically be moved to. Thoughts? BobFromBrockley (talk) 15:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

False and misleading information in "Australia" section

An alleged incident is reported here where in October at a Sydney pro-Palestine rally, it was said that some attendees had chanted "gas the jews". This article shares a revised report that they were actually chanting "where's the jews". However this is also false, as more recent investigation has concluded that all evidence of the incident came from footage shared to social media in which the real audio was replaced with the edited sound of chanting. In other words, this incident was fabricated.

Some news articles reporting this:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/feb/02/sydney-opera-house-palestine-protest-nsw-police-antisemitic-chant-no-evidence

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/police-review-finds-no-evidence-antisemitic-phrase-chanted-at-sydney-opera-house-protest-20240202-p5f1v7.html

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/police-find-no-evidence-of-antisemitic-gas-chant-at-pro-palestinian-sydney-protest/79te3i0sp

In a later paragraph, a more recent incident is described when 600 people were "doxxed". However, this is misleading because the framing suggests that that 600 were targeted as individuals in an act motivated by antisemitism. It is relevent to note that the 600 people were participating in a group chat which was actively seeking out, "doxxing" Palestinians and pro-palestine supporters and seeking to get them fired or otherwise silence their political expression. So, this was not a random campaign motivated by targeting Jewish people but an act of retaliation against an organised group who were themselves involved in a racist doxxing campaign.

Here's some excerpts from the leaked chat being discussed: https://everythingisfine.beehiiv.com/p/highlights-from-the-leaked-zionist-groupchat Pretty much from the first excerpt it's clear that anti-Palestinian prejudice was rife in the chat, such as describing the kuffiyeh (a traditional scarf) as "aggressive". If it would be racist to describe Jewish items of clothing as "aggressive" to wear in public, and antisemitic to try to stop people from wearing Jewish symbols in public, then it follows that it must also be racist to censor people for wearing Palestinian symbols and clothing in public.

Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with doxxing, this incident does not constitute an antisemitic hate crime because it is not motivated by antisemitism and in fact many "victims" of the incident were actively committing racist doxxing themselves.

Ironically, the full names shared in this article aa perpetrators belong to people who were themselves targeted by doxxing and harrassment from people within the leaked chat. One of the people named, Elsa Tuet-Rosenberg, is Jewish, and another person (publicly dead-named -arguably a transphobic hate crime-) is her partner. Essentially, the edit which added their names to the page is itself a kind of doxxing. Perhaps this should be mentioned in an article about hate crimes against pro-Palestine activists? Can't Catch The Cat (talk) 09:15, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve actually cleaned up the Australia section of this article. The Australian Jewish News isn’t a balanced source of information - hence I replaced those references with more balanced sources and reporting and removed the stuff that can’t be independently verified.

As for the doxxing part - I removed that completely on the basis that it was poorly written and blatant propaganda at best, smear at worst. Will have a look at rewriting that at some stage, within the next day or two, in a way that’s more balanced. Geelongite (talk) 23:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In fact come to think of it, apart from the alleged ‘gas the Jews’ incident which was debunked, the whole Australia section amounts to Nazis being racist dropkicks and the connection between that and what’s going on in Gaza is tenuous at best. It’s obviously antisemetic however this article is in relation to antisemitism as it relates to Israel-Gaza since October 7. Geelongite (talk) 00:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doxxing of Palestinian Supports

Remove the names of Elsa Tuet Rosenberg and Zaineb Mazloum from this article. This accusation is false and they should not be named. This accusation and naming of them is both antisemitic towards Elsa and racist towards both but specifically anti-Arab towards Zaineb Mazloum.218.214.189.104 (talk) 02:51, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As stated above, I’ve removed that whole section as the way it was written amounts to propaganda at best and smear at worst. Geelongite (talk) 00:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spain

Not sure if it qualifies for the article, but was some incident days ago in Spain, https://www.europapress.es/madrid/noticia-detenida-mujer-proferir-insultos-antisemitas-agredir-otra-ser-judia-20240426104254.html 31.221.175.115 (talk) 21:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added Chomik1129 (talk) 21:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some more sources (in Spanish, sorry) that (perhaps) could be interesting to add to the Spain section: https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2023-10-19/la-comunidad-judia-en-espana-denuncia-ataques-a-sus-comercios-sinagogas-y-domicilios_3757531/ and maybe https://www.eldebate.com/espana/madrid/20240426/detienen-activista-pro-palestina-agredir-judia-centro-madrid_192508.html (for the last cited event). Thanks. 31.221.175.115 (talk) 06:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add the Canada School Shootings and Brooklyn Attacks

The New York Times Man Charged After Attempted Attack Outside Jewish School in New York 2 days ago

CBC Montreal Jewish school targeted by gunfire, police say 2 days ago

Al Arabiya English

Fire at synagogue: Canada sees third antisemitic attack in days

Vancouver police searched Friday for an arsonist who set fire to the entrance of a synagogue, while stepping up security at other Jewish...

NYC: [4]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-assaulted-punched-people-new-york-city-indicted-hate-crime-charges-rcna154453 74.71.4.108 (talk) 14:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thank you! Chomik! (talk?) 15:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure 74.71.4.108 (talk) 00:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please add the Pro-Palestinian protestors heckling Auschwitz remembrance march

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/06/pro-palestinian-protesters-heckle-holocaust-memorial-march YeetMachete (talk) 20:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Chomik! (talk?) 22:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please add Stabbing in Crown Heights, Brooklyn

A man was stabbed outside a Chabad house in NYC on Aug 11, 2024. Links:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/11/nyregion/brooklyn-stabbing-hate-crime.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/crown-heights-brooklyn-hate-crime-stabbing/

https://abc7ny.com/post/brooklyn-stabbing-jewish-man-stabbed-abdomen-crown-heights/15175058/ Gaymarsrovers (talk) 00:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC) Gaymarsrovers (talk) 00:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thank you! Chomik! (talk?) 00:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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On 19 October 2023, the walls of the promenade in Sea Point in Cape Town were daubed with antisemitic graffiti. The City of Cape Town swiftly removed the graffiti.

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On 19 October 2023, the walls of the promenade in Sea Point in Cape Town were marked with graffiti referencing the nascent conflict. Of the two documented instances, one displays the phrase "I STAND WITH GENOCIDE" superimposed on an Israeli flag, while the other simply says "HOLOCAUST, OCT'23." Both were condemned as antisemitic and hostile to the local Jewish community and swiftly removed by the City of Cape Town. Harlowp (talk) 22:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]