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On 13 July 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Hispanophobia to anti-Spanish sentiment. The result of the discussion was moved.

This is Two Different Topics

"Hispanophobia" proper is a fear, hatred, or dislike of the Spaniards, especially in northern Europe, largely rooted in anti-Catholicism, and opposition to the near hegemony of Spain in the 16th century. It would be better to redirect this half of the article to the Black Legend. A separate page should be dedicated to anti-Latin American sentiment in North America and Spain (see sudaca), which is based on recent immigration as well as notions of racial difference; as mestizos and mulattoes arrive in white dominated societies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.160.113 (talk) 00:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While I see your point that you think that the term "Hispanophobia" should properly refer to anti-Spanish attitudes in the XVIth century and not contemporary anti-Latin American views, I must disagree with your proposal. Since the term "Hispanophobia" is used both in the historical sense and the contemporary US sense both in Wikipedia and outside it should stay to serve as disambiguation and a brief explanation. There are sufficient links for people wishing to know more about Anti-Mexican sentiment or the Black Legend and this page has enough information to help contextualize both meanings for the reader who may be unaware that the term has multiple meanings. (c.f. homophobia for a term that can be used to describe varying attitudes towards various, specific, yet related groups) Petropetro (talk) 03:23, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have never heard this term used in contemporary United States society. It seems a stretch and an exaggeration to suggest that it is current in terms of anti-Hispanic discrimination, which is one among many forms of discrimination.Parkwells (talk) 18:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hispanophobia and the use of language

Caesar was a great conqueror, so was Alexander the Great, but the Spanish Conquistadores just thugs and on top of that they murdered and destroyed those Amerindians. The funniest part is that to see Amerindians or Mestizos being a majority in an American country you have to go south of the Border: Mexico, Guatemala, Peru, Bolivia, etc. How come? Most of those people living in Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America are fully or partly Amerindians? And where are they in North America? There must be some mistake here. Well, I know, they are not Amerindians, because they were killed by the Spanish, so they must be Spanish.

PS. How the Amerindians became Spanish to suit the Black Legend and Anglo Propaganda, a short story.

What I propose is a debate that should end up in a contribution to the article following these lines:

Hispanic means Spanish in the same way as Anglo means English. Why is Hispanic all inclusive of people who come from former Spanish colonies while Anglo refers only to white people? Why do Pakistanis or Jamaicans or US citizens whose first language is English but who ar not white are not Anglos?. Is this not a clear example of the unprecedented racism existing in the US (probably with the exceptions of South Africa and Nazi Germany). Is it not overtly racist these differences in usage in these two cases. Maybe there is a relationship to the Black Legend, much more popular in the US than in Europe? Language is the main builder of the perception of reality. So, why not analyse these obvious issues. Or are these differences in usage just a coincidence? Are they naive? Or they hide something much more important? I think this issue should be discussed to enrich the article. Jan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.37.45.50 (talk) 09:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

Mexico is 57% white, its the second country in Latin America to have whites as a majority, the stupid american media just portrays us as brown people we are not the original term Mexican was used by white settlers from Spain just like americans from England. Although Mexico didnt exist until 1917. Not all Mexicans have native blood, they swear we all opened our pants and had kids with natives. It did happen but not as much, Americans need to get eduacated, because someone says Im Mexican that DOES NOT mean you are not white, I am a blonde (yes natural) and Im soley White from Mexico so deal with it. Gringo does not mean white person it means foreigner. My great grandparents were gringo when they arrived in the US, though we did assilmulate in the whiteness of society in America pretty easily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.177.144 (talk) 04:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the Mexican people are a mixture of white/Spanish and American Indian races, the statistics in the Mexican census also find 60-65% of the population has American Indian ancestry. No doubt they are of Spanish/Hispanic background when the Spanish language and Roman Catholic church are dominant features in Mexican cultural life.

Hispanophobia involves the "rising" percentage of people identified as "Hispanic" or "Latino". In the state of California in the year 2006, about 35% or one-third of the population is Hispanic/Latino. This is three times than of the 1970 census when 11-15% are "Spanish" or "Mexican-American" before the adaptation of the term Hispanic/Latino took hold by government policies in the Nixon and Carter administrations for the 1980 census. The state of California never was over 15 percent of Spanish/Latin American descent since the 1860's, the first decade after statehood and annexation by the US government, because Anglo-American settlers became the state's ethnic majority. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 06:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have a liberal teacher and I am a Liberal in many ways and he was going on about this topic he was confusing the Hispanic Identification with white native american and african I think the point of Race being different from ethnic identity is very important and meaningful thankful you explain it well.74.74.144.252 (talk) 11:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hispanophobia has deeper roots

~~I am a hispanophobe. I dislike hispanic culture. I dislike the Spanish language. It disgusts me. I think I am superior. Very superior. Supermegasuperior. But~~ I think the roots of hispanophobia are much deeper than this article lets on. England was invaded by the Romans. And it was also invaded by the French, who had a very profound effect on English culture and language, which a lot of people resent. So I think hispanophobia is rooted in latinophobia. ~~We despise anything Latin.~~ The English language is separated into Germanic words and Romance words. So Latino culture has historically been an imperialist force on Anglo culture. ~~We have good reason to dislike it.~~ I think a little more insight into the deeper roots of hispanophobia (dislike of Hispanicism) would add insight. 70.116.74.98 (talk) 14:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A large portion of this comment contains content that is not appropriate for a talk page. Talk pages are supposed to be reserved for matters directly related to the article to which they are attached, therefore this commentary is not permitted. Since this comment does make some suggestions for changing the article, I did not think it was appropriate to delete all of it. However, the portions that have been ~~struck through~~ should be deleted by the editor him or herself so that the whole comment complies with Talk Page Guidelines and will not be at risk for deletion. Petropetro (talk) 03:43, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a mess

I think it should be divided in two: anti-Spanish sentiment (e.g. Black Legend) and anti-Hispanic American sentiment (or sth like that). Mvhaha (talk) 12:47, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The introduction is just plain wrong with "a fear, distrust, aversion, dislike, or discrimination against Hispanic people, Hispanic culture and the Spanish language". Why only Hispanic people? Where are the Spanish? Hispanic is a American classification of human beings which doesn't really exist. --2.245.221.75 (talk) 12:47, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the article needs improvement, but I also believe that including both sentiments in one article is important to get a wider perspective on Hispanophobia. In order to clarify the Hispanophobia, the article does a good job of distinguishing the sentiments against different types of people because of the link to the article "Anti-Mexican sentiment," which further explains the differences. To improve the article there could be more information added about the consequences of Hispanophobia throughout history and how it became the sentiment that it is treated as today. The information provided in the "Immigration Controversy" section has a bias against Hispanophobia and there should be more concrete evidence to support the effects that Hispanophobia has had on immigration. The article should also clarify that has affected immigration in the United States. This section of the article also uses a lot of direct quotations to try to explain the subject. Not all the direct quotations provided are necessary to understand the subject matter. Gauribe (talk) 18:35, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Catalonia

A section is needed on hispanophobia in Catalonia. Particularly since an article called anti-catalanism already exists.Asilah1981 (talk) 17:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Split

Article is not coherent but a mix of different topics. Specialised sources do not endorse this phony approach to the aforementioned multiple instances of prejudice. Article should be split. Current title is but a vague ambiguous term and there are more precise terms for each one of the potential split targets.--Asqueladd (talk) 14:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would support a split. Killuminator (talk) 14:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spreading hate speech

Why is it necessary to quote nazi comments by such a two-legged bag of debris as Hal Turner? Juanramonvmora (talk) 23:34, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 July 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus to move as proposed. Rough consensus to split off anti-Hispanic sentiment in the United States, which any interested editor may implement (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 05:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hispanophobia → Anti-Spanish sentiment – This is one of the very few (literally I count two, the other being Antihaitianismo) exceptions in the Category:Anti-national sentiment using the Foophobia name variant rather than Anti-Foo sentiment. Let's standardize this to be similar to others (Anti-Catalan sentiment, Anti-German sentiment, etc. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but content about anti-Hispanic sentiment in the United States should be still purged off from the article (it could be relocated to a standalone article or to Racism in the United States#Hispanic and Latino Americans), as the proposed title points toward a specific "national" scope, unlike the current title's conceptual mishmash.--Asqueladd (talk) 10:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support both of these proposals, anti-Spanish and anti-Hispanic sentiment more broadly should be split. Killuminator (talk) 12:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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