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All the same

blackmeta, sn_blackmesa, anonymous sudan, darkmeta and a few more, are just killnet subgroups. 172.59.79.240 (talk) 01:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

give me a source for this information so we can update the article FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Logo

@FuzzyMagma Does the image in the infobox have a real connection to the group? The BBC seems to use it often, but I didn't see a source, and most of it is clearly AI-generated. UnlikelyEvent (talk) 21:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found it to be used by BBC and the website that I took it from it. BBC is a reliable source (WP:RSP), and I don’t think it’s AI generated. AI image has a touch of hyper smoothness and getting details wrong which this image does not have. FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware BBC is reliable, but from what I could see, they haven't mentioned any source of the image in any of their articles. After looking into it more, the image seems to be the profile picture of the @AnonymousSudan telegram channel. That could be enough to qualify as a WP:LOGO, allowing its non-free use. Just because a reliable source contains an image does not mean it can or should be included.

As for being computer generated, if you zoom into a higher resolution version (such as the version embedded in a BBC article) there are many of the garbled details that image generators make. Look at the random mess of shapes making up the dial below the triangle, the way the banner just over it sort of 'melts' on the left, and the way the creases in the mask are asymmetrical and nonsensical. So on, so forth. The flag in the background, the triangle logo, the light glint effects, and the seal on the hat are dramatically cleaner, indicating they were manually edited into the generated base. UnlikelyEvent (talk) 03:48, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Just because a reliable source contains an image does not mean it can or should be included." then why the source is considered reliable if you cannot trust its editorial rigour.

Anyway, as you said, the logo can be AI with a human touch. The hat for example is something Salva Kiir Mayardit (president of South Sudan) and not a think that Sudanese typically wear. But that does not mean it is not AnonymousSudan logo unless you think BBC just fabricated this logo. FuzzyMagma (talk) 08:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, I do think the photo would qualify as a logo due to it's use as a profile picture, making it valid use. But the BBC did not, in the articles I read, describe its source at all. If the BBC had created the image purely for the sake of illustration, something that is completely normal, it would not be acceptable for use on Wikipedia as per WP:NFCC. Images posted by a news site are generally their intellectual property, and cannot be used here except in specific use cases, one of which is a logo.

The hat is presumably intended to be the one Guy Fawkes is usually represented with, considering it is just above the Guy Fawkes mask Anonymous uses as a symbol. UnlikelyEvent (talk) 10:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No links to Sudan?

The article goes out of its way saying AS has no links to Sudan; then it says two Sudanese brothers who founded and ran the criminal enterprise were arrested and currently under indictments facing life in prison. Including a passport photo of a Sudanese looking young man with a Sudanese name. But Anonymous Sudan has no links to Sudan. Wut. -- GreenC 05:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

to be honest, I was thinking about this yesterday. As the information now seems to be outdated. FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Sudan brothers were taken into custody March 2024. This coincides with Figure 5 in the Radware article. It seems possible BLACKMETA took over the bot net previously run by SN, or it was some of the same people from AS rebranded after the Sudanese founders were apprehended. Hopefully the 22-year-old Ahmed will snitch in a plea to avoid life in jail, and we eventually find out who is behind blackmeta. -- GreenC 02:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]