Talk:Anne de Pisseleu d'Heilly

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Review: February 2, 2020. (Reviewed version).

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Anne's birthdate

Does anybody have a birthdate for Anne?jeanne (talk) 13:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Caeciliusinhorto (talk · contribs) 21:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is looking pretty good – definitely approaching GA level. There are a few things which need polishing up before it gets that coveted green plus, though.

I have done a bit of copyediting, but a few more prose things:

Why is "the real president of the king's most private and intimate council" in italics?
"She counseled Francis on toleration for "Lutherans", and anti-Habsburg action in Europe despite the advice of Admiral d'Annebault.": 1. why is "Lutherans" in quotes here? 2. I am not quite sure what the second part of this sentence means. Did Anne counsel F. to tolerate anti-Habsburg actions, or counsel him to make anti-Habsburg actions, or something else?

And some content things:

"Anne was won over by Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, and during the war in 1544, with the help of the count of Longueval, persuaded the garrison of Saint-Dizier to surrender to the Emperor." This looks to me like a misreading of the source cited. Knecht reports this claim as one of a long list of attacks on Francis, and also Paulin Paris' argument that they are "a pack of lies"; but he does not specifically say whether or not he believes it. (And I note that Wellman only says that the surrender of Saint-Dizier was "subsequently attributed to" Anne's treason – it seems to me that this is disputed, and we shouldn't be reporting it in WP's voice as fact.
Why was her husband "also seeking vengeance"?

Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 21:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lutherans was in quotes in the source, if I am not mistaken. Though, it probably means Calvinists, Lutherans, and Huguenots.

The part that is in italics is probably my mistake to show it is directly quoted from the source.

Yeah, the anti-Habsburg phrase could be removed. As for her implication in the surrender of the garrison, it can be removed as well.

As for her husband seeking vengeance, my guess being the mistress of the king had something to do with it? --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:06, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have done some corrections. Let me know what you think. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:18, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, Knecht says that "lutherans" was used in France during this period to refer to protestants more generally, which probably explains that...

A couple more points:

Potter (in e.g. "Marriage and Cruelty Among the Protestant Nobility in Sixteenth Century France") talks about Anne's protestantism; that's important context for her advocacy of toleration for protestants. And one's religion, especially when it is not the state religion, is an important biographical fact in the sixteenth century which ought to be discussed.
The article really ends with Francis' death in 1547, but Anne lived another 33 years – is there anything to say about that? (Again, Potter seems to have some things to say)
She died there in obscurity what in the source cited supports this?

Another Potter article, "Politics and faction at the court of Francis I: the Duchesse D’Etampes, Montmorency and the Dauphin Henri" may be of use. If you don't have access to either of these articles, email me and I can get you a copy... Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 22:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "in obscurity". --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:11, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added some information from both Potter articles. Any more concerns? --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:25, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looking good! Passing now. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 15:11, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]