Talk:Anne-Lot Hoek

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After that version it was completely revised and improved (see below)

COI tag (December 2023)

User page of editor that created article says - that they have been paid by Beeldende Tekst on behalf of Anne-Lot Hoek, if different from your employer for their contributions to Wikipedia. Isaidnoway (talk) 08:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have not been paid, this is a hobby. No clue how that got there, have removed it. Thank you for pointing out.102.39.196.88 (talk) 09:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see you place back the comment as if I am being paid, while I am not. Can you please explain why you do that? 102.39.196.88 (talk) 15:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You claim you have no clue how that got there, but you are the one who placed it there as seen here. Are we supposed to believe that is then just a coincidence you happen to create this article? And then after it is deleted, you re-create it again. What is your connection to Anne-Lot Hoek? Have you ever been paid by Beeldende Tekst on behalf of Anne-Lot Hoek? Isaidnoway (talk) 15:14, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for asking. She is my partner (hence I am also the owner of her picture in commons as well). Beeldende Tekst never paid me and never will. I have a completely different job.

On a different note, somehow someone thinks this version is (very) similar to the deleted draft while tons of changes have been made to process the feedback on the first draft. (See explanation below). Could you maybe help identify what from a content point of view specifically needs to be altered (thus far I only have seen that three citations were requested and one field within the author template wasn’t filled) Any questions/feedback is much appreciated! 102.39.196.88 (talk) 15:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you keep editing while logged out? Is more than one person using your account? And you still haven't explained how that admission about getting paid got on your user page? Why did you remove this from your reply - She is the only one working there. Isaidnoway (talk) 15:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Q) why I keep editing while logged out?

A) because I never bothered to autosave the password on my phone and don’t know it by heart. Will check that out and login from tomorrow onwards (not at home now). Honestly didn’t know that was a thing as it is easy to see I make similar fix comments etc, but I see that if badly intended it could be a thing. Have nothing to hide.

Q) are there more than one users using the account?

A) no, I am the only one, and made some changes from another computer as well (also not logging in for the same reason as above), will not do that going forward. Thought that anyone can change anything at all time as the possibility is there, but apparently not. Thanx for pointing this out.

Q) Regarding the ‘paid comment’

A) I think I must have thought the way it was phrased it didn’t apply to me as I have another job. That it would only apply if it is your job. Didn’t realize it was triggering anything.

On a different note, I had a mail conversation with the person deleting the page (Brendan) and we agreed I would create a new draft. He offered to help and bring me in contact with a paid editor if needed but I wanted to make the changes myself and would let him know when the completely new draft was created which I did. I didn’t see his response yet, feel free to jump in!

Kind regards,

ewout 41.13.220.13 (talk) 17:04, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the one missing citation. If there is anything else that can be fixed pleased let me know. 102.39.196.88 (talk) 19:41, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See I still owe you an answer on this one;

Q) Why did you remove this from your reply - She is the only one working there.

A) because I realized afterwards it is irrelevant to answer your question in a conclusive way. She is the sole owner/employee of Beeldende Tekst if it matters). Anywhere I help is free of charge. Hope that clarifies. 102.39.196.88 (talk) 20:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have reset the password and logged in now from the phone. It seems to work. When you have more questions please let me know. Ewout12345 (talk) 20:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you or someone else for removing the request for deletion. Would you be willing to work with me to get clarity that I am not paid. I can e.g. share with you by mail a statement from our tax advisor who has insight in all our financials and could also confirm my work is completely unrelated? And would you be willing to review the language component as I can see it has been reviewed by others already? I think it is fair to leave the connected statement for the time being so people can thoroughly check the content and sources. Ewout12345 (talk) 04:44, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because this is a completely different version from the one initially temporarily put back to draft. To my best knowledge all initial feedback has been processed in this new version:

The feedback was originally there were not enough resources to substantiate notability. Since then this new version has the number of resources doubled, if not tripled
The number of books she published or contributed to has been changed from 1 to 9 in the bibliography
Many external reliable sources (like questions in the House of Representatives due to the Book Publication) have been added containing quotes
There was initial feedback that were only very few book reviews, many have been added
No article is shown in multiple languages except 1, where it is stated in the text. Others have been removed
A section on the importance of the works has been added together with an entire storyline to subtantiate career achievements
Tens of articles have been removed and replaced with a single reference to a website, and in line with the Dutch page for Anne-Lot Hoek
This translation has been manually created
I have created a factual account
I know the subject which is discouraged but not forbidden
I am not being paid, this is already altered in the user profile

Can a wider group please review the removed draft versus this completely new version and indicate which specific areas still need to be altered and why and it will be fixed/substantiated/explained in due course!

Kind regards and thank you for your patience and help in that respect.

--Ewout12345 (talk) 13:36, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Request edit on 15 August 2024

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined.

What I think should be changed: a source needs to be added to the first paragraph ("Anne-Lot Hoek (born 17 June 1978) is a Dutch historian, independent researcher and author. She writes historical non-fiction, articles and academic publications, with a focus on colonial history and the independence struggle in South-Africa, Namibia and Indonesia.") and the section on the International Institute of Social History ("In April 2024 Hoek started a fellowship at the International Institute of Social History in Amsterdam, The Netherlands, where she continued her research on South-Africa and Namibia.")
Why it should be changed: because those are (the only) two paragraphs were a source is missing
References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

https://iisg.amsterdam/en/blog/anne-lot-hoek

Your help is much appreciated.

Ewout12345 (talk) 21:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Not done: The first paragraph doesn't need a source, since the lead is a summary of the body text which is sourced - see WP:LEADCITE. For the second sentence, the source given doesn't seem to support that she started a fellowship. Rusalkii (talk) 01:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for checking. Right below her name it is stated "fellow". The people with a current fellowship are listed. Please also see: https://iisg.amsterdam/en/about/staff#anchor_603 and scroll down to the section "Fellows working at the Institute". Hope that helps. Kind regards, Ewout Ewout12345 (talk) 18:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 24 August 2024

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

What I think should be changed: I think I understand what is meant now; The text “ In April 2024 Hoek started a fellowship at the International Institute of Social History in Amsterdam, The Netherlands, where she continued her research on South-Africa and Namibia.” should be changed to: “Hoek is currently working as a fellow at the International Institute of Social History in Amsterdam, The Netherlands, where she continued her research on South-Africa and Namibia.” And the source to be added:

Can you please support with how to best apply “Cite” in this case?;

For the first part of the sentence - section ‘Fellows working at the institute’;

https://iisg.amsterdam/en/about/staff

For the second part of the sentence;

https://iisg.amsterdam/en/blog/anne-lot-hoek