Talk:Andy Roddick/Archive 1

Archive 1

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help!! i was adding his results in the Australian Open 07, in the runner-ups section, and stuffed some formatting up.

Offensive baseliner

I'm not trying to be derogatory, but can Roddick still considered an offensive baseliner? Whenever I see him play he just hits it to his opponent. As an example, look at the statistics for his recent match with Berrer, where he won, 6-2, 6-2, 6-4:

• Winners: Roddick - 34; Becker - 34
• Winners minus aces: Roddick - 24; Becker - 28

He also defeated Dlouhy in straight sets, with his winners (minus aces) at 15, with Dlouhy's at 26. Yohan euan o4 (talk) 16:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Number of winners (minus aces) in Roddick's recent matches in Wimbledon 2009:

• Round 3 v. Melzer: Roddick - 28; Melzer - 36
• Round 2 v. Kunitsyn: Roddick - 17; Kunitsyn - 24

Despite winning both matches, his opponents, both of whom rank far below Roddick, hit more winners than Roddick. It's not uncommon to see Roddick hit fewer than 5 forehand winners in a whole match. Anyone who's been watching tennis in the past 4 years will know that Roddick's forehand is one of the loopiest, not to mention slowest, in the top 100. I fail to see how anyone can classify the 2009 Roddick as an "offensive baseliner." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.78.119.158 (talk) 02:23, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll remove it. Alan16 (talk) 02:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

After noticing a small WP:edit war over this with no supporting sources being cited, I dug up some sources and made this edit. Perhaps the sources I came up with are outdated, but those are the sources I found. Wikipedia is not about editors coming to an unsupported consensus judgement on an article talk page and then asserting that unsupported consensus opinion in the article—see WP:V. I don't follow tennis, and perhaps Roddick's forehand is "one of the loopiest, not to mention slowest, in the top 100". If so, that info should be in the article—and it should be supported by a cited reliable source. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

those are only a handful of matches you cited. you can't call his style in any of the 20 or so matches vs federer anything but offensive, he's always hitting big shots and going to the net. what more do you want? + i agree that his style also is frequently defensive, but he can do both.

Slam Records

On the side at the top it is only for best result and year......thats why i deleted F (2006). Skislope15 18:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

i don't see why the most games won in a (wimbledon) slam final is of any importance. federer had one less or so and won it. he had to play that many games because of the 5th set format. this particular record seems to be scratching for things to add to his already good resume. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Demondayzzz (talk • contribs) 14:38, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Ranking

Can we please keep an up-to-date ranking for him?— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Trivia Section

The trivia section is getting far too long. Add the info to the other sections instead, as the trivia section is only supposed to be about 10 lines long --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 23:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

New Coach

We need more info on him hiring a new coach, Jimmy Connors, as it marks a significant change in his playing style and career. So fa Jimmy Connors has only been mentioned twice.. --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 00:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

No, we don't... Jimmy stayed as a coach to Roddick for all of 5 minutes... then he decided to spend more time with his family and Andy settled on Stefanki for a while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oprah999 (talk • contribs) 22:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Strange

Isn't it strange that almost all his wins have been at home (USA). Seems like he can't handle to play outside the US very well. Maybe is this worth a mentioning in the article?

No, I don't thikn so. Kolindigo 16:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

It definately isn't. Skislope15 20:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The reason Roddick doesn't 'play well' outside the US is because his best surface is hard court, this is what he grew up playing. Check the stats of all the Spainards, I bet their record is better on clay, because that is what most of the courts in Spain are. Laboviorodruin (talk) 16:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

he has been to 3 wimbledon finals... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Demondayzzz (talk • contribs) 14:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Todd Martin

The article states that Todd Martin (among other players) has criticized Andy Roddick for being disrespectful. There needs to be some citation...— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Ad?

This sounds like an ad, not contributing to the article:

He is currently using the Babolat Pure Drive Roddick Plus Racquets. It is stiffer and heavier than the Pure Drive Plus, and this one packs plenty of pop along with its solid and spin friendly response. It also has new shaft dampening technology makes for a comfortable hit.

Anyone agree?

Hello Elsebet. I agree, it does sound like an ad. You can edit it yourself (Be bold!) to take out the promotional aspects of it. Or, I'll just do it. :) --Noelle De Guzman (talk) 05:44, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

It's only an ad, if Roddick never said that about the racket. Can we find a citation.Skislope15 20:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

We need a better picture. He looks too young, nothing like he does now.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Done! zellin 04:21, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Hope this qualifies as a better picture! Its slightly newer atleast. Aabha R 15:21, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

We need a new picture; all of the old ones (the ones that were free for use) were deleted because they were orphaned, and all the pics that had been added lately are copyrighted and have been removed. Noelle De Guzman (talk) 04:49, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Andy's Sponsorships?

Can anyone write up a short segment on the products Andy endorses? He shills for Hit-A-Way Tennis, Lexus, and AmEx. 219.90.86.161 09:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Lacoste does Andy's cloths, and his shoes are Babolat. I know that. Laboviorodruin (talk) 16:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Dead Links

RoddickOnline is offline for an unspecified length of time. Should the link to it be removed since it's effectively a dead link? Noelle De Guzman 11:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Yup, it does seem to be a dead link..go ahead and remove it. -Aabha (talk) 13:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Done. Noelle De Guzman 13:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Laying the Sharapova rumor to rest

Since I've been seeing a lot of IP addresses try to add the rumor about Roddick and Sharapova being together, I have always deleted references to such simply because Roddick and the people around him have already said things to the effect of denying the "romantic link." Note that the articles that claim Roddick and Sharapova together state that they have been seen spending time together and infer the relationship from there. But when people actually talk to Roddick, or people in the pro tennis world talk, they say it's not true. See the ESPN interview with Chris Fowler from Andy Roddick's official website [1] and Justin Gimelstob's Sports Illustrated column [2]. Noelle De Guzman 01:07, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of what they claim in public, it does not mean that it isn't encyclopedic and shouldn't be included. It's ALL OVER the media. The post doesn't say it's true, it says it's speculation and it is. Speculation can be encyclopedic, as long as it's based in some fact. They have been spending a lot of time together, and it should be noted on this site. Your efforts to stifle any reporting of this are hiding this simple fact. See what comes of it, and if nothing does it will be deleted in time, but while newsworthy, the information should be reported truthfully. That's why I added the link of him denying it. No one is claiming that it's actually true, only specultation based on facts...the facts being that they've been spending a lot of time together. Truthteller.

Very well, then. I didn't like deleting stuff off the article page especially since so many people kept adding it. That's why I opened up this section on the Talk page so that we could have some meaningful discussion about it. I'll try to improve the wording about the alleged relationship instead so that it makes reference to actual events and not just speculation on the source's part.

I hope we can keep editing this page together. Might I suggest you sign up for a user account? :) Noelle De Guzman 03:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Truthteller: if you read the 'reports' carefully it says that Maria Sharapova had a Motorola event in the same hotel in Melbourne where Roddick was playing poker for charity. Maria watched that game. There is nothing more to it. Considering the FACT that they denied the rumours of a relationship you can safely say that putting these things on here is just publishing gossip.

It's pretty much fact that they are a couple. Sharapova was asked about it and she did not deny it, she just asked that they stick to tennis and not talk about personal matters. But I agree, it doesn't really belong in this article until they go public with it.

Well, we can put the rumours to rest because Andy Roddick officially denied at the 2006 US Open that they are a couple. "We're not dating" is his exact quote. Sharapova does not talk about her personal life so will not deny nor confirm but said that "when two players know eachother and are friends, people are going to talk, that's what happened here." Sharapova is still single and Roddick is rumoured to have a girlfriend in Austin since April 2006.

Roddick's performance

I commented the following out of the main article because it has issues with regard to sourcing and being WP:NPOV.

"ESPN 2 commentator Mary Carillo called Roddick "a one dimensional player" MSNBC columnist Bud Collins in an article published in January 2006 during the Australian Open questioned Roddick's abilities. Collins viewpoint is Roddick's game is very predictable, his backhand is a major weakness, he is slow not very athletic, his return of serve is poor, his volleys are not very good, he has no court sense."

• This needs a link to Collins's article, as well as a source for when Carillo called Roddick "a one dimensional player."

"American tennis critics realize that Roddick eschews playing Federer, Hewitt, Safin, and Nadal in Europe."

• Who? These critics need to be named and the links to their articles given.

"Roddick prefers to gain his points by winning minor American tier II or tier III events where he is the top seed."

• This statement needs a source.

"However, Roddick's strategy may help his ranking but hurts his career because he is not competing against the top competition. The belief of tennis experts is that Roddick has not gotten better only worst."

• This seems to be the personal opinion of the contributor rather than something that tennis experts have said. This needs sources.

"However, Roddick is not just losing to Federer he has had embarassing losses in the last several months. The belief of Collins is that Roddick's ranking is inflated meaning that Roddick may be ranked no.3 according to the January 30th 2006 ATP rankings but it is undeserved."

• The words "embarassing" [sic] and "undeserved" are value judgments and seem to violate WP:NPOV. I am willing to help include the aforementioned bits of information as long as the sources are given and we refrain from giving our own personal opinions on the matter. Thanks. Noelle De Guzman 04:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

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I removed the following section from the main article as it is POV. I'm suggesting a rewrite that does not offer so much opinion and commentary.

"However, in February 10th at the Davis Cup Roddick choked this match against world no. 82 Andre Pavel of Romania. Pavel fought back from two sets down and match point in the third set tiebreaker to beat Roddick. Roddick became ill and vomited in a bucket during changeovers. Roddick claims he wasn't nervous or embarassed caused the vomiting. Bud Collins interview with Roddick also was considered hostile because Collins openly criticized Roddick for changing coaches. Roddick was angered by Collins harsh Jan 22nd 2006 article on MSNBC.COM."

Noelle De Guzman 02:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

The Verdasco match in Rome 2005

Calling the fact that Roddick didn't lie about the status of the ball being in is not worthy of praise, since we all have a moral obligation not to lie. By praising him for telling the truth you are implying that the NORM for athletes is to LIE, a sentiment that many professional athletes would find VERY offensive. And besides, Roddick said that the umpire was about to check out the ball mark anyway so he was just saving time. I thus took out that part and changed it accordingly. User:Stanley011

Quotes

Yikes! That quotes section needs total overhaul, and probably some judicious deleting editing.--Esprit15d 20:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed the quotes, since they're obviously biased and this page isn't about Federer. Someone could submit other quotes by Roddick covering different subjects instead of one player. Nycalien 07:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Losses

Is there a reason why almost every line in the tennis career section includes the word "loss" in it? I'm not a fanboy of Roddick but the section seems highly biased against him and only seems to highlight his shortcomings.

Attitude

It seems like the "Attitude" section needs some editing; it contains numerous grammatical and spelling errors among other problems.

I think this section doesn't have a NPOV, it sounds biased against him and is based only one one single recent match, which is not enough to support such a broad view about his attitude. Endlesssnowfall 07:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the whole section should be deleted as it is too subjective and should not be considered as an encyclopaedic knowledge based on one single incident.

Performance timeline format

Flute138: I have no idea what you meant by the following: "(sorry Tennis expert, but I was under the impression that the change the IP address made was part of the current standard (you agreed that the changes made were fine.) So rv, in hopes of clarification)" Maybe I have a faulty memory, but where did I agree that the IP address's changes were fine? It's not that I think the changes are NOT fine (sorry for the double negative), but they are not consistent with the other timelines in other pages. Tennis expert 01:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I was unclear, but a while back (when the whole argument was brought up, and you came up with the new colors), I showed you (on the Venus Williams page) the change with the surface record background colors, which I assumed you agreed with, and would be used in future timelines. I believe the Federer and Sampras ones have been changed in that manner...there's obviously been a misunderstanding, so, no worries! --Flute138 01:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, on the Sampras change, the timeline I edited was deleted, and you replaced it with your previous timeline...so here's the link to the one I edited (the first "current standard" timeline on the Sampras page) [[3]]

--Flute138 01:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Marat Safin is second youngest

Hey when i was looking through the tennis career it says that Andy Roddick is the second-youngest world no.1 behind only Hewitt. This is not true. Marat Safin is. Roddick was 21 years and 3 months old when he became no. 1. Marat Safin was 20 years, 10 months old. I changed it and later when i checked back it said roddick was second youngest. Im just wondering what is going on.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.109.203.27 (talk) 23:33, March 6, 2007 (UTC)

Hey... do you have a reference for that? If so, then you can change it to the correct info if it's not right. oncamera^(t) 05:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Right here [4]. when you look at career high ranking it says November 20th, 2000 (born Janurary 27, 1980, meaning age was 20). Having known Roddick that was 21 when he became number one in the world, you should already know that 21 is more than 20 :P —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ssjbooger (talk • contribs) 04:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Ok, do you have proof 21 is more than 20? Haha, I kid. Anyway, I read here: [5] that says Roddick is second youngest, and reading through here: [6] it doesn't say that about Safin (unless of course, I missed it somehow). oncamera^(t) 13:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow this is getting confusing. They don't even mention Marat Safin being world No. 1 in the career review. It just says that he was 15 points away from year-end number one. But wikipedia confirms that he held number one in 2000 [7]. I think ATPtennis.com is making a error. It sure looks like Marat Safin is the second youngest. But right now, I have no idea. I think we should delete Roddick is second youngest until we resolve this situation. Ssjbooger

Yeah, but that Wikipedia page doesn't even have references to back up who was number one and when. Hmm, but he was number one. Well, can you list the dates when both became number one and find out how exactly old they were at that time? We can solve it that way, or just re-write the sentences to show Roddick was second (or whatever number) youngest at one time or another. oncamera^(t) 22:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

According to Marat Safin's ranking history, he first became the top ranked player in the world on November 20, 2000.[8] He was born on January 27, 1980.[9] That makes him 20 years, 9 months, 24 days old when he first became the top ranked player. According to Andy Roddick's ranking history, he first became the top ranked player in the world on November 3, 2003.[10] He was born on August 30, 1982.[11] That makes him 21+ years old when he first became the top ranked player. Tennis expert 23:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Eeep, so ATP isn't right. Well, I guess it should just be deleted, unless it's for sure he was/is third youngest or something. oncamera^(t) 23:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia section has false fact

The trivia section claims roddick hit a serve so hard during the french open that it was buried in the court. However the only citation is a powerade commercial. The commercial is fake. It makes no reference to the french open and if it did in fact happen there would have been several news articles stating this superhuman feat. I'm going to edit out this "fact".

Just because you say something is 'fake' doesn't make it so. Please cite sources...we hear Cliff Drysdale in the background131.96.70.164 01:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

His record was recently broken by Mike Chantaplin of Beaumont Texas he swerved the ball at 158 mphTennisakin 18:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

You need to provide a reference for this in order to insert it into the article. Please read WP:ATT for more information. Ichibani 01:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

ok i just find the article in the beaumont because it is true mike chantaaplin is my coach in tennisTennisakin 05:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Then, seeing as there is a slight conflict of interest, you should post the reference here, on the talk page. Ichibani 05:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Just spotted this discussion. Here is a link to the serve on YouTube Any good reason why this can't be cited? almost-instinct 21:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

A-Rod?

Why does A-Rod redirect here and not to Alex Rodriguez who had the nickname first?

Great guy, tedious tennis imho 82.69.28.55 22:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree, Alex Rodriguez is much more well known as "A-Rod" and had the nickname first. Gutch220 (talk) 04:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The article that is cited for the A-Rod nickname doesn't mention or even suggest that A-Rod is a commonly used nickname. If anyone with a logical discerning mind reads the article it is about Alex Rodriguez and Agassi; it uses "A-Rod" as a transition. I don't contribute often but this definitely deserves removal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paro727 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

men's fitness cover

June/July 2007 had Andy on the cover. Not sure if this is worthy of the article. also, i think they photoshopped his biceps/arms to make them look bigger on the cover of the mag. --DMW 02:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I seriously doubt this (although I have not seen the cover myself). The man is seriouly huge and well built. Recently I got to meet him at an exibition match in Vero Beach (December 4th at Mardy's Tennis and Jake's Tennis Fest) he is a BIG guy. Laboviorodruin (talk) 17:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

"free points"

- maybe, i'm parsing, but doesn't using the word "free points" (when describing roddick's many aces and unreturnables) imply that the points aren't earned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.208.77 (talk) 17:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Agree, someone needs to reword that phrase, i'll try. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.56.86.35 (talk) 18:41, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

vandalism

Is there any way we can reduce the vandalism here? So far I've seen 3 things that have been messed up in the last few days (year of birth, opponent at the 2006 australian open wasn't serena williams, and he didn't hire his math teacher). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.40.33.245 (talk) 02:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Bias and Vandalism

I noticed and corrected some of the vandalism mentioned by the previous poster. Of course it is a problem, but as far as I can see, the only way to combat this is for trustworthy users to make corrections immediately. (Hopefully, there are enough of us to catch vandalism/errors quickly.)

I also agree with a previous poster that phrasing such as the term "free points" in the particular context used can be interpreted negatively. It does seem to put a particular spin on it that implies that big-servers are somehow not really "skilled" tennis players but can compete because of these "free" points. I haven't thought of suitable rewording yet, but perhaps someone will.

Addendum: Perhaps instead of "which he uses to earn free points with aces/unreturnable serves or put himself into position to hit a forehand winner" it could read something like "which often result in aces/unreturnable serves or put himself into position to hit a forehand winner" Bresenham 13:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

2009 Section

I removed the part claiming that rapper Snoop Dogg was his new coach. I changed it to read "Larry Stefanki" which leads to Stefanki's page were it also states that Stefanki is his coach.

Personal Life

I removed the part saying that actress/talk-show host Rosie O'Donnell was enaged to Roddick. Given that she came out of the closet as a lesbian, I felt it was appropriate to remove this.

I like that rationale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.152.162.222 (talk) 04:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Second sentence of the article

Currently reads: "He is a hardcourt specialist who also plays well on grass." According to the article, he has won 5 titles on clay, 4 on grass, made the finals of Wimbledon (on grass) twice, and the fourth round of the French Open (on clay) this year. Can we drop the "hard court specialist" nonsense??? I've never even heard that term, and in any case it's not accurate. If you want a quick summary of his skills, how about moving this up and making it the second sentence: "Roddick is known for his powerful serves and forehands, and holds the fastest serve recorded in professional tennis, clocked at 155 mph (249.5 km/h)." 76.19.65.163 (talk) 04:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

16/08/09 "montreal update"...

... has a typo 'teh' -> 'the' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.213.55 (talk) 20:20, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Nicknames and Court behaviour section

This section only has two sentences and not to mention uncited claims. The fact that he made ONE comment in 2008 to an umpire doesn't mean he engages in frequent outbursts. In addition I'm not so sure his nickname needs an ENTIRE section, is it possible we could merge it into the introduction? Vedant (talk) 02:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

There is an error on who Roddick played in the epic 21-19 5th set at the australian open. It states Jo-Wilfred Tsonga rather then Younes El Aynaoui. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.3.88.78 (talk) 10:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Review and edit

I think the article is way too long and needs to be improved. Stating all his opponents during every single game; too many details. That is trivia which belongs on fan sites and not on Wikipedia if you ask me... Reidlos (talk) 10:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

WTT Philadelphia Freedom

I know there's a reference to the articles in the See Also section, but shouldn't it be noted somewhere in the article that Roddick plays in the WTT for the Philadelphia Freedom? Triggafinga (talk) 14:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Contradiction in the first section

Roddick cannot be the only American player ranked in the ATP top 10, and currently ranked 11 by the ATP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.234.228 (talk) 19:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from CLawnsby, 21 February 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}

Don't know how to do this to semi-protected pages, but here is a citation for the second "citation needed" under "Nicknames and on-court behavior." http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/othersports/2004134011_tennis19.html

CLawnsby (talk) 23:08, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Done -Atmoz (talk) 14:05, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Main Photo

It's not appropriate to have the main photo of a tennis player to be from a "workout session," shirtless. He's not a swimmer, he's a tennis player.69.15.219.71 (talk) 00:58, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, not a good main picture, surely there is a better one. 208.38.59.162 (talk) 21:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

39 games won in a grand slam final, and than what? It's surely meant to be a negative record, right? Why the hell is it a record? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.120.136.2 (talk) 12:13, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

and a former rank number 1 player. should read former number 1 ranked player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.10.107.208 (talk) 07:30, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

service

how musch is speed?

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