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Arbitrary section header

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Tabayoyon is mentioned in the Scientology article, as is his affidavit. Is there enough extra information to warrant his own page? Search shows mostly affidavit-related information on him. Gallup 19:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A point of clarification

Article before I started to add some citations and expand it: Here, and Article state after I added a whole buncha citations, Here. Smee 17:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]

OR / RS - Opinion

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I came across this article when chaining through other articles. It appears to have quite a bit of Original Research in it that is not supported by citations. It is also unclear to me whether or not some of the sources meet WP:RS standards.

As I don't speak German fluently, I'd need to get a translator involved in order to be of any help here.

Hopefully the involved editors can tighten up the article and stick to sourced statements. I'll check back in a couple days to see if any help is needed.

Example: Specifically wording like: extremely secretive and well-guarded is OR unless cited.

..and if the DOD property is well-guarded, that does not mean that Gold-Base is.

Lsi john 17:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sealed

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I've never heard that the complete case has been sealed. I only heard that the Fishman affidavit was sealed at the request of scientology. --Tilman 19:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This was done by Judge Hupp, and this can be read here [1] - it applies to "specified documents", not the whole case. --Tilman 20:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Violation of Wikipedia:No Original Research
  • Sure thing -- Wikipedia is not the place for original research. Citing sources and avoiding original research are inextricably linked: the only way to demonstrate that you are not presenting original research is to cite reliable sources that provide information directly related to the topic of the article, and to adhere to what those sources say. -- Wikipedia:No Original Research. Smee 19:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]
  • And how am I violating that???. BTW, PACER is Public Access to Court Electronic Records. The operative word there being Public. The court reports the case as sealed on a publicly-accessible website and I noted that. How is there any OR there??? 3O, time, Smee? Or save yourself the trouble. --Justanother 19:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • We have no way of knowing in what context it says "sealed", precisely which documents are sealed, or what exactly you are referring to. Smee 19:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]
  • I simply reported exactly what the site says and that anyone, you included, can verify. I removed the OR-ish interpretation that I assumed you were objecting to. --Justanother 19:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am looking through PACER and seeing no record anywhere of anything ever being "sealed", but rather simply the dockets and records of the case itself. Perhaps you are mistaken about this bit of original research you have conducted? Smee 19:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]
    • From the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit - Court of Appeals Docket #: 94-55443 - Filed: 4/13/94 - Church of Scientolog, et al v. Fishman, et al - Appeal from: Central District of California, Los Angeles -
 10/4/94          Filed order ( James R. BROWNING, Jerome FARRIS, Edward
                 LEAVY, ): Aplt's mtn to seal pending proceedings on remand
                 and any further appeal is denied.  [94-55443] (wp)
                 [94-55443]
  • Therefore, not only is this all original research, but it is incorrect information. This factually incorrect "note" should be removed from the article. Smee 20:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]
  • That seems to be referring to an appeal. I am putting back EXACTLY what the court reports about the exact case that is being cited here. No OR. Yours is the OR. Knock off the edit-warring over this, Smee. --Justanother 20:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is nothing "claimed" and nothing OR. And the appeal refers to the exact case, yes. The exact case number is cited in the docket. Smee 20:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Assessment comment

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Andre Tabayoyon/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

*Article is sourced to (8) citations from reputable referenced material. Could use expansion, additional citations, as well as perhaps an image of subject, or image of a related public domain document. Smee 08:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Last edited at 08:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 07:43, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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