Talk:Andon Kyoseto

Disruptive editing

Please, stop deleting or changing sourced content, including deleting sources. In the memoirs used here as sources this man self-identified as Bulgarian. Cited secondary sources confirm the same info. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 12:46, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

There are a lot of scanned original documents written in Bulgarian language and issued and signed by Kyoseto himself, by the Bulgarian authorities, by his comrades, neighbors, etc. confirming he was Bulgarian revolutionary from Macedonia:Библиотека и Издателство "Струмски". Jingiby (talk) 13:03, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Monument controversy in the Republic of Macedonia

The article is not right. It wants to present that the monument of Kyoseto was the first one being dismantled. Actually the first monument of the project Skopje 2014, that was removed, was the sculpture of Simeon Radev from the building of Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Therefore that part needs better structure and explanation. Forbidden History (talk) 08:18, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

What about the description about the monument? Is totally false! This is not the center of Skopje, it's the supreme court. The monument is not nonexistent, but it is in negotiating procedure to be erected once again in Skopje. The monument is not dismantled, only it's foundation was dismantled, the monument is kept and waits for legal procedures to be erected once again on another location. This whole paragraph is spreading false view on the monument of Kyoseto in Macedonia. Therefore change it accordingly.--Forbidden History (talk) 14:16, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Please relax :D, it is not a good way to interact with other editors. --StoyanStoyanov80 (talk) 14:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

StoyanStoyanov80 First the whole title of the paragraph is wrong and deceptive. It should say Monuments of Kyoseto. And starting by chronological order it should start with the one from Strumica. So, please return the description I wrote for it. Since it is three piece art and it has nothing to do with any Yugoslavian time - but Macedonia as part of SFRJ. It was 75 anniversary of the Ilinden uprising (as shown in the reference), so it has only to do with Macedonia sovereignty and being equal amongst the rest in Yugoslavia (Macedonian language was one of the three official language in Yugoslavia) therefore your description is bringing false image to the whole period of Macedonia and to this monument. Then it should say something about the monument that was removed (NOT DESTROYED) from the court yard which is in a phase of re-erecting, so there is no controversy theory, only legal paper work problem. If the title stay as it is Monument controversy than it should also say that is controversy that Bulgaria acknowledges him as Bulgarian, but has never build a monument to him -isn't that controversy as well? So, be fair and write equally, not one dimensional look of the events.--Forbidden History (talk) 06:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Forbidden History, his name is not on the Monument to the Fallen for the Freedom of Macedonia. Kyoseto died from a natural death.

You haven't signed yourself, but I'm not getting your point here. Did you see me mentioning the Monument Fallen for the Freedom of Macedonia? --Forbidden History (talk) 06:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

You don't know what the word controversy means, the official definition is 'a prolonged public disagreement or heated discussion.' Since some Macedonian media and public did not want the a memorial of Kyoseto. --StoyanStoyanov80 (talk) 13:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

And where is your proof of public disagreement? Any reference? As I said the problem were the legal documents, not who he is. Having his monument since 1978, is a proof that there is no controversy. Having the same stature erected once again, also is another proof that this paragraph is not speaking the truth. It is the same thing as I wrote - Why don't Bulgaria haven't erected a monument of Kyoseto - is that because of controversy issues that you might have? I though wikipedia is based on references and not on your or mine personal view of things. The correct title should be Monuments of Kyoseto and it should start with the first ever erected monument of him the one in Strumica marking the 75 anniversary year of the Ilinden uprising and since it is a three piece monument it needs to have the description that I already wrote and you erased. Therefore, total rearrangement of this part needs to be done. --Forbidden History (talk) 17:40, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

https://okno.mk/node/40750 This article for example. --StoyanStoyanov80 (talk) 18:10, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

And where exactly in this article did you read about the controversy about the monument? Where does it say he needs to me removed from the court yard? If it was because of his deeds, that would be noted in the official report of the City of Skopje. The official party that removed the monument was City of Skopje and their official report says that it is because of Legal paper work, not because Kyoseto was terrorist that murdered 100 people. So, once again don't twist the facts. Also, I have posted disagreement of the referenced part for the declaration signed by Kyoseto, that has nothing to do with the Macedonian minority as the article says. That is another false interpretation of the links you are referencing. Changes needs to be done here and on that part as well. --Forbidden History (talk) 09:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

It shows that there is a controversy around the monument, 'a prolonged public disagreement or heated discussion.'. --StoyanStoyanov80 (talk) 14:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes there is discussion, but that is not the reason for removing of the monument. How can you claim that there is controversy for Andon Kyoseto when we have his monument since 1978? Please change the paragraph properly--Forbidden History (talk) 07:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

References

After the Second World War

The part added about the declaration amongst others, signed by Kyoseto, is ttotally false. It has nothing to do with the Macedonian minority, but the declaration is against the treatment of the Macedonian revolutionaries by the government. Just go to the page that you are referencing and see for yourself. Here is the quote of the part "В специална декларация срещу югославските претенции се обявяват видни стари македонски революционери: Георги Попхристов, Андон Кьосето, Димитър Занешев, Лазар Томов, Александра Хаджидимова, Олга Чекаларова. От своя страна вестник „Пиринско дело“ публикува серия от статии, разкриващи преследването на дейци във Вардарска Македония, за поредицата от инсценирани процеси, за лагери като Голи Оток, където в бараки за 50 души са натикани по 200 затворника". You are talking about one thing and referring to totally different thing (and by the way this is secondary source cause he is referring to Пиринско Дело) --Forbidden History (talk) 06:32, 8 November 2020 (UTC)