Talk:Anchor, Shropshire

Pub cat

I removed the pub-stub and cat as it is basically about a village (which happens to have a pub of the same name). I think that if there is enough to write an article about the pub itself it is best to put it into a seperate article - an entry should not if at all possible be about two different things, however simialr the names. I know there are many cases when this is done (eg Guinness is about the company and the drink for example) but it is best to avoid these. Justinc 16:59, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Why make things complicated? Just leave it as it is - the village and the pub are both called Anchor and unusually in this case it's the village that is named after the pub. If you've ever been to Anchor you will realise that the pub is the oldest part of the village and the small number of other buildings there (it's really quite small) have grown around it. I suggest we leave it as one article, with two sections - one for the settlement and one for the pub. Makes it easier and groups together two closely related things. David 18:10, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

ok, with headings like that it looks better. I'll shut up now. It sounds like a nice place... Justinc 18:57, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Pub cat 2

The Anchor, Shropshire article is about the place in Shropshire. While the place contains a pub, we don't as a matter of course categorise articles on places in pub categories. If it is felt the pub itself is notable enough for a standalone article then that can be created and categorised in the pub category. My own feeling is that the pub is not notable. We have recently created a pub taskforce as part of the Beer Project, and we are gradually going along and cleaning up the pub articles, organising them, and we will be weeding out the non-notable ones. If people are interested in pubs, they are welcome to join us. Meantime another opinion can be sought at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, or at the pub taskforce talkpage: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beer/Pub Taskforce - though I would say the category talkpage is the better option, as the pub taskforce is still quite small. SilkTork *^YES! 23:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I can only repeat what I have already written on this Talk page.

"the village and the pub are both called Anchor and unusually in this case it's the village that is named after the pub. If you've ever been to Anchor you will realise that the pub is the oldest part of the village and the small number of other buildings there (it's really quite small) have grown around it"

The pub is notable and this article is both about the pub and the hamlet which consists really of the pub, a farm or two and a few houses. The new affordable housing planned will increase the size of the place by about 50%!

The names of the properties at the crossroads: The Anchor Inn, Anchor Farm, The Anchorage and Anchor Cottage. Says it all! David (talk) 08:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, and you can make a comment to that effect in the village - "This is a village named after a pub." Same as The Elephant & Castle in London is named after a pub. But every place named after a pub (and there are plenty) are not then placed in the pub categories. The pub itself would need to assert it's notability. Being the second highest pub in the whole of the UK is a questionable notability - being the second highest in the local area is most certainly NOT notable! I understand local enthusiasm, but this must be seen on a wider scale. SilkTork *^YES! 20:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

But the category Public Houses in Shropshire is a local category, not one for the "wider scale". David (talk) 12:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Everything that appears on the Wikipedia mainspace is subject to Wikipedia's "wider scale" guidelines - there are no particular local rules that override general consensus. At the moment I'm seeing an article on a place which contains a pub. The pub itself appears to be non-notable, and the main claim is that the village is named after the pub. However, there are several places that are named after pubs, so this in itself is not unique or interesting. It would be as inappropriate - to my thinking - to put this article into the pub category simply because the village contains a pub, as it would be to place it in the Category:Affordable housing category because it contains some affordable housing, or to place it in the Category:Rivers of Shropshire because a river is mentioned. However, each situation is taken on its merit, and you may wish to get another opinion on this. You may ask for another opinion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, or at Wikipedia:Third opinion. Regards SilkTork *^YES! 17:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The pub

Having just visited the pub, I would like to point out that it most certainly is notable. Probably not in any way that would be recognised by Wikipedia, but for aficionados of British pubs it is well worth seeking out. Open evenings only.

By the way, is there any authority for it once being named the Mermaid's Rest? It seems most unlikely and the current landlord made no mention of it, although he was uncertain which if any of a number of possible origins for the name of Anchor is correct. There seems no doubt that the pub gave the hamlet its name. Zipperdeedoodah (talk) 20:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm certain I read it somewhere (in a book, not online) but can't remember exactly where now. It could be that the pub was called the Mermaid's Rest and had an anchor as its pub sign - quite often with pubs, the pub sign becomes the name of the pub, giving a pub a different name! And for certain the place is named after the pub and not the other way round. Anyway, glad you enjoyed Anchor! David (talk) 17:28, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I was told by a Welsh language scholar that the name 'Anchor' derives from an Old Welsh word meaning 'pass'. As Anchor is, more or less, at the pass between the Vale of Kerry and the Clun Valley this would seem an appropriate name for the settlement and in turn suggests that the pub takes its name from the place.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.50.224.41 (talk) 02:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

In Mary Webb's book, Seven For A Secret, the inn, based on The Anchor is called The Mermaid's Rest.

As above, Smith, Cefn Einion.