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A fact from Anatolic Theme appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 October 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Anatolic, Armeniac, Opsician, and Thracesian themes, the first four Byzantine themes to be established, descended from the field armies of the East Roman army?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/October.

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Άνατολικόν [θέμα] and θέμα Άνατολικῶν

Can anyone explain the relation between these two phrases? I know Άνατολικῶν is plural, genitive. And I think Άνατολικόν is singular. But shouldn't Άνατολικόν and Άνατολικῶνhave the same number form? --Qijiang ok (talk) 21:49, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The reason is that the meaning is different in the two cases: Άνατολικόν θέμα means as much as "the Eastern theme", θέμα Άνατολικῶν "the theme of the Easterners". The latter is the original name, but the former also appears in Byz. and modern literature. Constantine ✍ 10:03, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Did Byzantines call it Άνατολικοι? Just like Byzantines said of Ὀπτιμάτοι and θέμα Ὀπτιμάτων. Qijiang ok (talk) 09:48, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Άνατολικοί ("the Easterners") would be the plural nominative form of the name. Constantine ✍ 14:04, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In wiki of Anatolia, it says Greek name of Anatolia is Ἀνατολή, and Anatolia means "East". So, what does Άνατολικόν and Άνατολικῶν mean? Easterner(s)? In this way, Άνατολικόν θέμα means "Easterner theme", θέμα Άνατολικῶν means "theme of Easterners". Am I right? Another question: Are Άνατολικόν [θέμα], θέμα Άνατολικῶν, Άνατολικοί all correct names of this theme for Byzantines? Qijiang ok (talk) 14:05, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

On the meaning, yes, look above. "Άνατολικόν θέμα" would be "Eastern theme". It would not usually be used simply as Άνατολικόν (i.e. without the θέμα). Άνατολικοί would usually refer to the people and/or the army of the theme, rather than the theme itself. Constantine ✍ 15:48, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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