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Self promotion?

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This article looks/reads like self promotion. The external links seem to be valid links but the article itself is not necessarily encyclopedic. Just being a full time inventor does not necessarily mean an entry in wikipedia. I am tagging this as unencyclopedic. Please do not remove the tag before resolving the issue. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 00:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I am a journalist working on Indian R&D efforts globally. Anadish is unique in terms of India, here we do not have fulltime inventors who can also prosecute US patents themselves. Indians working with Indian institutions still have less than 1000 US patents till now, compared to more than 7 million US patents granted to the rest of the world. Consider this fact when Indians are the most populous in the world after China. However, the pictures are being deleted and the biographicals details too stand deleted in view of the objections; if this seems to be unsatisfactory to the editors, then of course a full deletion has to take place: Cottonmother, 26 January 2007 7:55 (IST)

Delete: Google search gets about 100+ hits for Anadish Pal. The person seems to be a genuine, upcoming inventor. I am not trying to diminish his work. The question is not about the veracity of the person but rather the appropriateness of the article in an encyclopedia. In keeping with the wikipedia's notability criterion I have to suggest this article be removed. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 03:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Consider the fact that in Categories Delhi and Living people, there are persons like Shikhar Dhawan; if such inclusions carry on without attracting any notability comment from an editor, then there seems to be a need to enquire into Wikipedia's lobby groups :-): Cottonmother, 27 January 2007 11:15 (IST)

Added an external link to his electoral records found on the web; the records show his age at the time the records were compiled. Also e-mailed him about expected references or citations for his recent BVI Noise Reduction patent applications and his related research: Cottonmother, 27 January 2007 12:10 (IST)

He mailed Appl. Nos. now added to the text. The BVI Noise Reduction research is unpublished; however, according to him, I already have a picture taken of one of test airfoil, which was earlier uploaded to Wikipedia File:Bviairflow.jpg

Cottonmother 27 January 2007 12:45 (IST)

BVI Noise Reduction patent application numbers on private PAIR pages which only the applicant and the patent office can access at the moment, till the applications are ready for publication: Cottonmother 13:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am afraid the information is therefore not verifiable, since not published. --Edcolins 13:57, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have requested Pal to provide me a PDF from his Private PAIR pages at USPTO, showing the details to the concerned patent application numbers. Would that be ok according to Wikipedia, what is your understanding of the situation? :Cottonmother 16:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP: User Rigmahroll seems to be flying into an Indian regional bias. He seems to be Tamilian with strong anti-Delhi biases. I have gone through the various articles through India category; it is neither representative nor informative, it's an apology to Delhi persons' achievements and place in the world. Wikipedia does not mean it has to chronicle all the Page 3 girls and not a person making vanguard efforts in a society where those were unknown. Edcolin is only concerned about Wikipedia quality in a Eurocentric manner -- I yesterday watched a documentary on the BBC on a Kenyan girl studying in Pittsburg, just because she is the first Masai girl to do so. Going by the delete advocates BBC editors are dumb to make a 30 minute documentary on her. I very strongly feel Indian pioneers, living and dead both, should be chronicled in world modern history, because they are the ones who are getting India into the big league. I hope Mr Anadish Pal is not very old and not an academic with an engineering college; if he is young enough, I'll urge him to start to start a platform for young innovators in the government schools. Rumesh Chander, Reader, CIE, University of Delhi, Delhi - 110007, India
{To: Rumesh Chander} Please understand the reason for my request to remove this article. There is absolutely no need get personal. I am not even going to try and address your attack. There is a difference between a News organization and an Encyclopedia, other than the fact that one of those has a strong financial incentive. Also, removal of this article does not mean it cannot be written at some other point in time, when it does in fact deserve it.
{To: Cottonmother} Existence of articles of other non-notable people is not a defense to keep this one. That only means that we need more cleanup. You may be right about the article Shikhar Dhawan and there is probably more. It is just a matter of time before an editor gets to it. I will hold on to my present vote for this article: delete, just because I still cannot see this article passing a majority of the criteria set for notability.
ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 01:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hope that that the ongoing TALK has taken notice of Sonia Sarkar's article on Pal in the Times of India (New Delhi Ed. Page 5) on 9/11/2006, i.e. Sept.11. It was posted on talk earlier by this user. This additional independent reference makes the article meet the notability criterion in this regard. As the original contributor of this article, I now with would vote to retain the article. -- Cottonmother 02:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spoke to Pal a while back. He doesn not approve of my approach to write about him on Wikipedia; therefore I am signing off this discussion. However, I'll stick to my basic view of putting India in perspective. Rumesh Chander seems an enthusiastic Delhiwallah, however, he is right in a way, Wikipedia gives much more importance to Page 3 girls with nude photogpaphs {listing out so many of them) rather than to sensible pioneering work in developing countries. Edcolins comparing patenting in the USA to the Indian situation lacks social perspective -- a patent law expert should not be judging things only from either a statistical or legal POVs; there is a whole lot sociological too in innovations taking place in a backward society dependent upon foreign technologies. Encyclopedia is a chronicle of life too, so what titilates the contributors is read falsely as positive stimulation by them, warping their judgement.Cottonmother 04:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have the utmost respect for the person himself and his inventions may be tremendous. I am just questioning whether this person is not notable enough under WP:BIO. That's all. --Edcolins 21:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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