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calling a cult leader a "religious leader" and the cult a "new religious movement" is exceptionally silly and violates the npv rules, this page reads a lot more like a press release than a factual wikipedia page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.143.201.182 (talk) 23:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per MOS:CULT, cult is a pejorative term that is generally avoided in academic discussions of new religious movements. Wikipedia should aspire to have an academic, rather than a populist perspective. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

seems curious that this "pejorative" is in the title of a vast majority of the cited articles but only used once on the wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.143.201.182 (talk) 23:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia aspires to be better than newspapers. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

that might be the most silly thing anyone has ever written about wikipedia considering it is built on the back of citing valid sources. but in any case, i can see why you'd argue that considering your use of MOS:CULT is invalidated by its own rules - each of the citations used for this cult's description both in title and text as per the rule call it a cult, not just as a pejorative, but as a description of what it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.143.201.182 (talk) 23:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a cult is a religious movement, I don't see the problem.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 02:54, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A "cult" is not necessarily a religious movement, see NXIVM for an example of that. Carlson's followers had/have genuine religious beliefs that should be treated in the same way we treat all other religions beliefs. The current lead is in line with the guidelines at MOS:CULT. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, NXIVM seems like religion cloaked in a thin veneer of pseudoscience to me.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 02:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They have genuine religious beliefs? Is there a source for that or is it your opinion? What are the genuine beliefs? That cloud ship captain Robin Williams was the one processing her when she was shitfaced, verbally abusing her cult members for a chicken parmesan? Apparently "Cult" is not academic enough but it's ok if the entire article cites newspapers and magazines that call it what it is, a cult. Meeepmep (talk) 04:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]