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File:Amrita Sher-Gil in her studio in Shimla, 1937.jpg Nominated for Deletion

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Every single one of the images of Amrita's contributed to this article has been deleted by User:Stefan2 because, although they are public domain in India and pretty well everywhere else except the US, they are indeed not public domain in the US because of what is essentially a technicality regarding their late entry into the Berne Convention.

I shall restore these under Fair Use rationales when I have time. Jennie Matthews 97 (talk) 12:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Berne Convention allows countries to use the rule of the shorter term, but some countries have decided not to use the rule of the shorter term. This means that the paintings are copyrighted in a handful of countries, for example the United States and Colombia. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is hosted in the United States, so this problem affects us. If some of the paintings were published before 1923, then those paintings are in the public domain in the United States. The remaining paintings enter the public domain in the United States 95 years after they were first published. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:03, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Stefan. Thanks for this and indeed I do now understand the issue and I was grateful to you for your courteous explanation at the file discussion. Really I'm full of admiration for your grasp of the issue which frankly I was only vaguely aware of before: I'm not at sure all that much attention is paid to it in practice unless of course the estate is known to be punctilious about it.

But what I'm raising here is the potential for Fair Use local uploads of images as Wikipedia does allow for artworks in copyright. Perhaps you can advise? After all I don't want to expend more time fruitlessly than I have already. I have limited time for Wikipedia. Mostly I want to help annotate the Commons holding of Vincent van Gogh where I am quite knowledgeable at least in the Dutch period (one of the reasons I uploaded Amrita'a Hungarian Village Church in the first place was its evident relationship to a Nuenen period painting of Vincent's).

So I would be grateful for your kind help and advice Jennie Matthews 97 (talk) 21:55, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Over the weekend I propose to provide Fair Use images in Amrita's article. Plainly we should have an image of her prize-winning "Young Girls", and then her famous South India trilogy that establishd her as an Inidan artist. After that I'm content to let other editors illustrate her further development in her tragically short life. If I can find images of her later church steeples when she returned to Hungary I shall make an article start for her extremely fine 1932 Hungarian Village Church that caught my eye when it went up for sale.

You haven't commented back here and I shall be spending valuable time doing this, Stefan (several hundred dollars worth of my time if you want to quantify it), and I shan't take kindly to further intervention by you. You might think it fantastically important that Commons is GATT compliant. Personally I don't give a damn, and I expect the Sher Gil estate will have similar sentiments as they inspect her article following your interventions. Please leave her alone now. Jennie Matthews 97 (talk) 00:08, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The images are copyrighted in the United States because the United States decided to ratify the Berne Convention and TRIPS without implementing the rule of the shorter term. I don't remember exactly what images the article contained, so I can't tell whether all would be permitted under WP:NFCC. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:54, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have uploaded under a Fair Use rationale her prize winning Young Girls, and her South Indian Villagers Going to Market. I shall upload Hungarian Village Church as an article when I happen to have a few more hundred dollars of my time to spare. There were some nice images there people took the time and trouble to upload,Stefan. Of course it's wonderful there's someone out there in Sweden so conscientious about US copyright law because it's quite obvious they themselves really don't give a damn, still less able to take care of it themselves. Keep up the good work, Stef! Jennie Matthews 97 (talk) 02:12, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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There has been a lot of vandalism on this page of late and several of us have been reverting it. I have now requested semi-protection. Thank you to everyone who has helped to keep the article making sense. LynwoodF (talk) 18:09, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Good to know about her. Sharif D (talk) 13:38, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]